Behold, the future...No thanks!!

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Originally Posted by Bruno

If there would ever be a US revolution, it would be stomped on so hard you wouldn't know what hit you.
Even GWH would not stand a chance if the government got serious about making an example.
If the military is not on your side, you have 0% chance of success.
If the military IS on your side, you have no need of guns for the purpose of power over the government.

Not only do you not have the guns to match the army (which is in general a good thing impo) but unless I am mistaken, you cannot even make real plans or organize yourself with the intent to do so without earning yourself an 'all expenses paid' holiday in an undisclosed location.

From that perspective, the 2nd amendement is basically a hollow one.

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It would likely be part military vs part military. We have our national guards which are based in each state and outfitted just like everyone else. I think if it really and truly came down to it, the masses would at least have a fighting chance. Getting organized would take some work, but it wasn't exactly an overnight process in the revolution either.:shrug:

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if there ever was one, the "arms" we bear would be woefully inadequate.

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You apparently haven’t been shopping in the right places :D

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From that perspective, the 2nd amendement is basically a hollow one.

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Gasp! Them’s is fightin words! ;)
On a serious note the 2nd amendment was put in place by our founding fathers for a reason. We had come from oppression, being ruled by a tyrant king who cared nothing about individual rights or liberties. The 2nd amendment is for our protection - the basic human right to defend ones’ self and loved ones – It is to protect us from (what could become) a corrupt and overpowering government. Did slaves have a means to defend themselves from slavemasters? Did German Jews have personal firearms to stand up against the Nazis?

In a toe to toe fight we couldnt do it. In a guerilla fight, drug out over years we could, all governments depend on the civilian masses for support, tax money, manufacturing, food etc. If denied our support we could do it, the hardest thing to overcome would be any foriegn aid the government might enlist, and as broke as they are where would they get the credit unless they tried to sell the country and its assets to that entity. FYI I was at a gunshow this weekend and despite the soaring prices the stuff was flying off the shelves! One vender had brought 60,000 rounds of .223(ar15/M16 ammo) to the show and only had 7,000 rounds left by noon! This was at a smaller event and not one of the larger.

Back on topic: I would love this technology if you could trust the corporations and the government. But my greater concern as has been mentioned before is the criminal class that could shut down your vehicle anywhere they choose for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by nun2sharp

In a toe to toe fight we couldnt do it. In a guerilla fight, drug out over years we could, all governments depend on the civilian masses for support, tax money, manufacturing, food etc. If denied our support we could do it, the hardest thing to overcome would be any foriegn aid the government might enlist, and as broke as they are where would they get the credit unless they tried to sell the country and its assets to that entity. FYI I was at a gunshow this weekend and despite the soaring prices the stuff was flying off the shelves! One vender had brought 60,000 rounds of .223(ar15/M16 ammo) to the show and only had 7,000 rounds left by noon! This was at a smaller event and not one of the larger.

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I can see a protracted guerilla fight working in war torn and battled countries that have been fighting wars against each other that way for centuries because clearly that's being proven even today. However, assuming that the average American would grow tough as nails overnight and not give eating bugs, lizards, snakes and sleeping in dirt a second thought and I just don't see that happening. Sure some of us would "dig in", and we'd give it one helluva shot, but far and away, the vast majority of us, especially those living in major metropolitan areas (in a catastrophe scenario I like to call the big cities "Sitting Ducksville") would be toast, possibly even literally.

Ok ok, I know off topic, but Mark doesn't care!;)

Chris L

The upside is that "we the people" more or less control everything but the military. Assuming a united effort, it would be like a country wide strike. A lot of people in the big cities would be screwed, but they have one thing going for them- it wouldn't be in the government's interest to level any major city, both from a PR standpoint and infrastructure standpoint. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking and any resistance would be stomped immediately:gth

[quote=Quick Orange;295778]The upside is that "we the people" more or less control everything but the military. [quote]

But where does the government get the people that make up the military? We the people! Unless Americas morals have gone so far down the tube that the military could find enough troops to fire on their own people. Which may be possible(those that are yes men, seekers of privilege, and those that would sell themselves to insure a full belly, etc) But if the people are facing hard times,(political/economic) they might as well face it armed. The nothing to lose principlewould take effect. Only 7% of the population actively supported the first revolution. 1 person of determination outwieghs 9 others with feet of clay.

Sorry Mark for being:OT I know how you despise it!:rofl2:

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Originally Posted by xman

It's a security feature that the owner has the right to refuse. I have to pull over for cops. It's the law. Trying to avoid it just makes things worse. Now there's the chance to make me comply before I kill somebody. What's wrong with that? Oh right. I don't get my high speed chance to get away.

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HOLY CRAP!!! We agree!!!

head spinning,................. vision getting blurry................. going to pass out.................

m a t.............

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Originally Posted by mhailey

HOLY CRAP!!! We agree!!!

head spinning,................. vision getting blurry................. going to pass out.................

m a t.............

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Now thats funny!!!!:rofl2:

[quote=nun2sharp;295794][quote=Quick Orange;295778]The upside is that "we the people" more or less control everything but the military.

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But where does the government get the people that make up the military? We the people! Unless Americas morals have gone so far down the tube that the military could find enough troops to fire on their own people. Which may be possible(those that are yes men, seekers of privilege, and those that would sell themselves to insure a full belly, etc) But if the people are facing hard times,(political/economic) they might as well face it armed. The nothing to lose principlewould take effect. Only 7% of the population actively supported the first revolution. 1 person of determination outwieghs 9 others with feet of clay.

Sorry Mark for being:OT I know how you despise it!:rofl2:

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I would tend to agree, but never forget the Civil War. A lot of Americans died from American minie's.

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Originally Posted by Quick Orange

The upside is that "we the people" more or less control everything but the military.

I would tend to agree, but never forget the Civil War. A lot of Americans died from American minie's.

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But the Civil War was predominantly toe to toe and not guerilla!";" Where there was guerilla warfare it did quite well until the end of the war when more Union troops could be used to saturate the guerilla strongholds. BTW anyone interested in this, western missouri was a great example of what we are discussing.