Yeah, I'll have to update that post. I'm the owner of a 2009 Toyota Sienna LE 8 passenger......minivan.

Actually it's not that bad. It's actually a lot quieter than our Subaru Forester that we've just loved but outgrew. My pain was eased when I easily threw a bunch of 8' 2x4s, 2x3s and 2x2s and some 8' lengths of cut plywood in the back of that new minivan with room for all of us to ride. I'll get used to it!

Chris L