music censorship

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Originally Posted by JMS

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Originally Posted by JMS

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So, what do you guys think of this! I suspect, based on the little I have read that these guys are the scum of the earth, but do we ban their opinions and ideas?
I leave it to you guys!

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Weren't you the one believing in free speech? ;)
The first amendement is meant to protect the unpopular speech. Popular speech doesn't need protection because people approve of it. You should be proud that you live in a place where people can spout their ideas.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Weren't you the one believing in free speech? ;)
The first amendement is meant to protect the unpopular speech. Popular speech doesn't need protection because people approve of it. You should be proud that you live in a place where people can spout their ideas.

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Stereotype! this seems to happen alot! I never said in the opening post whether I was for it or against it.

The first amendment was put in place so that the government could not curtail our free speech.

Jockeys, yet again you leave me with almost nothing to post.

I'll just add that music stores can choose to carry any legal music they wish. I can't put into words how much I dislike gangsta rap, but I don't expect Amazon or Apple to quit carrying it. I think that music [gangsta rap] is just as bad, if not worse, than the skinhead music from the article. Why worse? Because white society is so worried about being PC toward urban black culture that they let their kids listen to music glorifying rape, murder, abuse, and gang life. When it comes to white supremacists though, they [rightly] raise a fuss and don't let their kids listen to it. It's a sick double standard.

I only really hate two things in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

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Originally Posted by Whatsthe2ndDfor

I think the burden of censorship lies within each individual, or their legal guardian. It's as simple as that. We cannot critique anyone for writing offensive music, as it is an expression of their viewpoint, regardless of how askew it may be to our own. However, parents should be the ones to explain to their kids that "killing jews," or "slappin' hos" is wrong, and should censor it.

When I was younger, my parents forbade me to watch Bevis and Butthead, because they said "testicles." Did my parents write an angry letter to MTV? No. Did I realize "testicles" was not something to be said to your parents, or to any authority figure? Yes. It was censored to me, due in large part to the diligence of my parents, as it should be.

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Dead on! I agree 100%, well, maybe 95%. I think we can "critique" others for writing that music. We are free to do so as they are to write it.
Regardless of who writes it, who sells it, PARENTS are the important "censors" when it comes to kids.
But...what do you think about PRIVATE bsuiness choosing to sell music like this? Hard core HATE music. Music that DOES say we would be better off with all non-whites dead?

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Originally Posted by smokelaw1

Racists and extremists have every right to use their freedom of speech. The public at large, the "market" does not have to stand idly by while privat business helps them spread their bile.

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I really don't understand the point of censoring ignorant bigoted viewpoints. I LOVE IT when ignorant bigots spout their nonsense. It lets me know they are ignorant bigots. It lets everyone know.

Don't censor them. Publicise their stupidity!

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Originally Posted by smokelaw1

I don't deny that I am universally (though I won't agree with 'arbitrarily') against promoting hate. I admitted to my biases in my second post in this thread. I do, however, disagree quite strongly with your last sentence. A business most certinly MAY listen to its customers and to the public at large, and remove that music, art, etc that is most opposed by the most people. It is their right. I BELIEVE, because of my biases, that it is actually their DUTY to do so. You may not, that is fine, but do you believe it is their right? If they wouldn't any works showing blacks, jews, gays, immigrants, etc in ANY positive light, is that there right? Yes. Do I think they would become the wpowerhouses of the e-conomy acting in such a way? Nope.

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"moral repugnance" is arbitrary because not everyone has the same morals. and as I said before, if we just go on popularity, all we've done is exchange on kind of majority harrassing a minority for some other majority harrassing a minority. Whether the minority is skin color or opinion, does it matter?

Of course a business has a right to sell whatever it wants, whether because of customer demands, managerial whim, or pure randomness... it doesn't matter. But I disagree that a store has a duty to do so. again, the idea of duty is arbitrary. why should the duty to weed out hate-promoting music be any greater than violence-promoting music, etc.

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Originally Posted by smokelaw1

But...what do you think about PRIVATE bsuiness choosing to sell music like this? Hard core HATE music. Music that DOES say we would be better off with all non-whites dead?

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That's their business. I can choose to spend my money there, or not. Just because I find something personally distasteful doesn't automatically justify moral outrage.

An example, although intentionally humorous:

I am disgusted by fat people in revealing clothing. I really don't like it. So maybe when Victoria's Secret starts carrying plus sizes, I quit shopping there. I vote with my money. But do I get morally outraged and start picketing Victoria's Secret and demanding that they only sell clothes to skinny people?

Or course not, I'd look like an intolerant ass.

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=jockeys;335499]Whether the minority is skin color or opinion, does it matter?.

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I think so. I would venture a guess that most reasonable people agree. I think itwould make the world a better place if this music was harder to get. I feel the same about ANY music calling for violence, or that glorifies rape, shooting cops, etc.

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Of course a business has a right to sell whatever it wants, whether because of customer demands, managerial whim, or pure randomness... it doesn't matter. But I disagree that a store has a duty to do so. again, the idea of duty is arbitrary. why should the duty to weed out hate-promoting music be any greater than violence-promoting music, etc.

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I think there is a moral duty to make it harder to obtain this music. Why should it be different? I don't. If the music promotes ciolence as blatantly as Skredriver promotes racism, I think it should be handled roughly the same. I have NEVER heard of a rap group that is as focused on that aspect of the "culture" as the skinhead bands are....have you?

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Originally Posted by smokelaw1

Dead on! I agree 100%, well, maybe 95%. I think we can "critique" others for writing that music. We are free to do so as they are to write it.
Regardless of who writes it, who sells it, PARENTS are the important "censors" when it comes to kids.
But...what do you think about PRIVATE bsuiness choosing to sell music like this? Hard core HATE music. Music that DOES say we would be better off with all non-whites dead?

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I agree with what Jockey's said...we can respectfully withdraw ourselves from any market we deem inappropriate. Also, I agree with what Ray said: I enjoy the intolerance of bigots because it is ridiculous how pig-headed they can be.

However, to answer with more than a "yes, I agree," I would have to say that it is the given right of any person, American or otherwise, to present their own ideas in any manner they see fit, be it harmful, or intolerant; however they have to be prepared to accept the backlash against their actions. While governments allow freedom of speech, this isn't to suggest there won't be a backlash from the common people.

In short, picketing is just as legal as writing a song about killing black people because they're black. Provided nothing turns violent, we should all exist well enough.

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