I have changed my view.

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Originally Posted by JMS

My view that changed is in the above quote. I never like it when previous administrations openly criticize the current administration but after hearing his speech I realize it's not sour milk. hes not throwing a fit because a republican or conservative was not elected. He is defending himself and the last administration against the constant finger pointing of the current administration and his love for our great country and his wish for it not to be harmed is also very apparent to me in this speech.
In my mind he is simply doing his best to protect this country and the previous administration from the mistakes and political maneuverings of the present administration!

I hope this answers your question

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And it could just as easily be said that President Obama is simply trying to do his best and correct the mistakes from the previuos administration, which is what he was elected to do by the American people.

The fact that Mr. Cheney does not agree with Obama's way of going about things is sour grapes in my opinion. Cheney has spoken more in public in the last 6 months than he did in the past 8 years when he was supposed to be representing us the American people.

It's nothing new. All the Clinton supporters also wrung their hands and shouted about the sky falling after GW Bush took office with aradically different approach to things.

From our side of the pond Cheney was the brain behind the Bush government and suffered quite a lot from bad actors on the main stage.
The speech does not surprise me and not impress me either.

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

It's nothing new. All the Clinton supporters also wrung their hands and shouted about the sky falling after GW Bush took office with a radically different approach to things.

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Yes they did. There are 2 glaring differences though The Bush administration did not blame the Clinton administration for every little thing nor did the Bush administration dare to entertain the idea of prosecuting any of the Clinton administration for Political differences or decisions made while they were in power.

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

In Oklahoma write ins are thrown out :(

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WOW, talk about a violation of your voting rights. You have the right under the constitution to vote for whomever you want to.

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

In Oklahoma write ins are thrown out :(

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which is doubly ironic, because that's where Chuck was from until he had the sense to move down here :rofl2:

And just to be clear: I am most certainly NOT a big fan of Obama, nor Democratic party ideals.

All I'm saying is Bush&Cheney Inc ran the show for EIGHT years. Time to button the lip and let the next guy do his thing. He's only been in office 4 months so far.

It would be one thing as a normal private citizen to speak out against the president is one thing. The fact that the person being so outspoken being the guy who just had that job is quite another.

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Originally Posted by bbshriver

That is my number 1 criticism of GW is the....

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the sumbitch took my nickname !!!! (and the expansion of education)

but I digress

yes yes
Republicans in power can only be one of two things

1 evil genius
2 idiot

In this case we got both (so says the Leftys)

oh and didn't someone rebut the whole sour grapes argument by saying
JIMMY CARTER

every time I see him I'm surprised he managed to find a door knob to get out of the house

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

And just to be clear: I am most certainly NOT a big fan of Obama, nor Democratic party ideals.

All I'm saying is Bush&Cheney Inc ran the show for EIGHT years. Time to button the lip and let the next guy do his thing. He's only been in office 4 months so far.

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4 months too long. He's already spent more than the previous administration did in 8 years , and they were chronic over spenders. The more he is deservedly criticized the more people wake up from their infatuation with pretty scripted words and start listening to the real message. Hopefully all of these people keep writing their elected representatives and put enough pressure on them so that they will keep the brakes on and keep potus's agenda from ruining this country completely.


We could do far worse than Chuck Noris for president. We already had one great one who used to star in movies with a monkey maybe it's time for another.

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oh and didn't someone rebut the whole sour grapes argument by saying
JIMMY CARTER

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I was trying to avoid such an obvious point but since you said it...

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Originally Posted by JMS

Yes they did. There are 2 glaring differences though The Bush administration did not blame the Clinton administration for every little thing nor did the Bush administration dare to entertain the idea of prosecuting any of the Clinton administration for Political differences or decisions made while they were in power.

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I wouldn't call the things in question 'little' - clearly Cheney and Obama don't consider them little either.
I don't know what political differences you are talking about, but Nixon was prosecuted despite his opinion that "when the president does it it's not illegal".