Don't buy windows 7 yet.

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

1. New releases of Windows always have problems. (True for any OS) Waiting 6 months after release will help most users avoid most probblems.

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True, and i def would not pay more than the $50 I paid for my license.

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

1. If you have ever considered Ubuntu or some other flavor of linux, why not try it first? I know that linux isn't for everyone, but if you're going to be formatting your hard drive and installing a new OS anyway, why not give it a shot? It's completely free, so if you don't like it, you're only out the time you spent setting it up. Get it at Ubuntu Home Page | Ubuntu and get help at ubuntuforums.org

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Linux is not for everybody. I have use it. I like it. But dont know why i always go back to MS. And its free so yes...you only loose the time of installing and testing.

Also if you are worried about office, you can use Open Office...it is REALLY good for a FREE office software...
But,again, with the $50 price point of the pre-sale is a really good price...its ALMOST free too...lol

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

1. Your PC probably can't run it. A great many of problems people had with Vista were the result of running it older hardware. In the PC world, 1 year is outdated, and 2 years is ancient. Review the minimum AND recommended system requirements first, and don't upgrade if you don't meet at LEAST the minimum. The closer you are to the recommended, the better.

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with this on i will disagree...
Windows 7 will run on a netbook.
Ive seen the beta and rc on em and they run, not smoothly, but good enough. 2 year old computers will def run it no problems. I bet 3 and 4 year old computer will run it no problems.

I have to agree on the review of the requirements and make sure you have the minimum.

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

1. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Regardless of what you're using, whether it's Vista, or Windows95, if it works for you, why spend the money on an upgrade? Before upgrading systems, think seriously about what you expect to gain from the upgrade, and whether or not it's realistic.

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Very true.


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VeeDubb65, i amuse you are an Open Source guy.
Do you contribute to them (as developer)
Just curius.

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

I have ubuntu on one of my partitions and run linux on my laptop. It is still true.

No, it's not. I'm sorry you've had trouble. While many people have trouble, myself and hundreds of thousands of other linux users have not. And, it's not like I'm an IT expert. I have no professional IT training.

WoW is a 5 year old game now. And i still stand by my statement. Do you think most "home users" are capable to screwing with wine?

Well, since it's installed by default in Ubuntu, and requires nothing more than double clicking the program you want to install/run for many thousands of fully supported apps, yeah, I think most home users are perfectly capable of double-clicking. Don't you?

As far as WoW being a 5 year old game, I only mention it because it's a very well known and popular game.

More recent games that I know off the top of my head to play perfectly in linux include Call of Duty IV, PoP (2008), and C&C Red Alert.


I really dont want to pay a monthly fee to cedega either...

Yeah, I can't say I blame you there, but since you only have to pay for a subscription for updates, that's not much of an issue. Also, wine has improved so much in the last year that cedega is largely redundant, and only a small selection of games play on cedega that won't play with regular old wine.

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In any case, as I've said over and over again in this thread, I fully agree that linux is not for everyone, just as windows is not for everyone, and mac is not for everyone.

This next paragraph is going to sound like sarcasm. It is NOT sarcasm. I'm serious, and people have the right to choose whatever system they want.

Many people, do not find that having only 90% of games on the market work flawlessly out of the box is a worthwhile trade-off for running the most stable and secure desktop opperating system ever built, and never having to buy software again except for games and a handful of special purpose apps. Those people will be stuck with Windows.

I agree with the setements here give Microsoft time to get the bugs out. I also don't recommend buying Vista as yet, I don't think that microsoft has gotten all the bugs out of Vista as yet. I am sticking with version 5 since it appears to be stable.

So do the later versions of Ubuntu come standard with Wine then? Because I tried wine a couple of times and didn't get ANYTHING to work under it. (sad but true) (You could be right on the whole thing....but my experience says otherwise thusfar.

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

In any case, as I've said over and over again in this thread, I fully agree that linux is not for everyone, just as windows is not for everyone, and mac is not for everyone.

This next paragraph is going to sound like sarcasm. It is NOT sarcasm. I'm serious, and people have the right to choose whatever system they want.

Many people, do not find that having only 90% of games on the market work flawlessly out of the box is a worthwhile trade-off for running the most stable and secure desktop opperating system ever built, and never having to buy software again except for games and a handful of special purpose apps. Those people will be stuck with Windows.

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I will just have to agree to disagree at this point to keep things on topic....

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Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

So do the later versions of Ubuntu come standard with Wine then? Because I tried wine a couple of times and didn't get ANYTHING to work under it. (sad but true) (You could be right on the whole thing....but my experience says otherwise thusfar.

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Even if it does not come installed(i didnt think it did). You can install it using synaptic.

When I was screwing with it, winetricks - The Official Wine Wiki was handy also.

One more thing... WineHQ - Run Windows applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and Mac OS X

is a good resource to see issues with running different apps under wine.

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

Many people, do not find that having only 90% of games on the market work flawlessly out of the box is a worthwhile trade-off for running the most stable and secure desktop opperating system ever built, and never having to buy software again except for games and a handful of special purpose apps. Those people will be stuck with Windows.

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The above encapsulates what I love about Linux. I am not a gamer so that isn't an issue in my case. The security and the stability are the features I love. The free part is great too. I must admit that XP was stable for me but on two occasions I picked up viruses that I had to wipe the hard drive to get rid of. Each time I was running up to date anti virus programs. Norton the first time and Avast the second. I've put together two different boxes since then and it is a definite perk to burn a DVD image and suddenly have a smooth running OS that didn't cost any $$. Add to that the securtiy and it's golden.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

The above encapsulates what I love about Linux. I am not a gamer so that isn't an issue in my case. The security and the stability are the features I love. The free part is great too. I must admit that XP was stable for me but on two occasions I picked up viruses that I had to wipe the hard drive to get rid of. Each time I was running up to date anti virus programs. Norton the first time and Avast the second. I've put together two different boxes since then and it is a definite perk to burn a DVD image and suddenly have a smooth running OS that didn't cost any $$. Add to that the securtiy and it's golden.

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before i los tmy thumb drive... I would keep the latest ubuntu distro on their so i could boot into ubuntu to troublshoot or install.

Installing ubuntu off of a usb drive is quick.

BTW.. I am all for people trying linux..

Maybe I will re-load linux again and play with it.

Now that i think of it. Most of my problems came from me running a 64bit version of linux I think. At least from what i read in the linux forums at the time.

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

BTW.. I am all for people trying linux..

Maybe I will re-load linux again and play with it.

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If you're starting over, just skip all the Linux flavor nonsense and use BSD. :mace:

But seriously, Win7 has been available for a long while to test. You do not need some pimped out brand new computer to use it. Like all previous versions of Windows, you can run it on old hardware, you just need to lower the settings. I have Win7 RC running on an old Dell here at work. Prolly a 2GHz CPU with less than a GB of memory. If you want the fancy interface and all the bells and whistles then that's where it helps to have the RAM, CPU, GPU.

OpenOffice is okay. GIMP is okay. When you compare either of those directly to MS Office and Photoshop, though, they're extremely inadequate.

The people that get an OS on release day are the ones that probably already have the beta/RC version or that know how to configure it. I doubt you'll see many computer-illiterate upgrading their own machines initially. The caution should be given to people purchasing a new computer, as the manufacturers will install it by default. Hopefully they'll keep the XP downgrade and not change that to "Windows 7 (with Vista downgrade)". :(