One related to the joke thread controversy

[JimR]

I know I'm outnumbered, and that we as a species haven't progressed morally in the whole of human history. I'm resigned to being outnumbered.

But I'll leave this last bit of information and a question.

Since the death penalty was re-established in the USA in 1973, 130 men have been released after being sentenced to death because they were proved to be innocent. This proof was found by people who were OUTSIDE the justice system in almost every case. That's 130 people for whom the justice system failed, and their lives were saved only by the voluntary efforts of ordinary people. Far more than have of these have been in the last 15 years, with the growing acceptance of DNA evidence in the field of law. Before DNA, who knows?

In the cases of 10 people, there has come to light very very strong evidence that they were innocent AFTER execution. They will never be exonerated, though, because courts don't retry cases after people have been executed. Looks bad, donchaknow.

So the court systems do fail, and innocent people are sentenced to death, and very likely some of them die. And they get no retribution.

So how many is too many for you? How many wold it take for you to admit that the system is flawed beyond acceptable tolerances?

For me, it's one. But I'm meaningless.