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I'll take the bait. I'm sure that part of the issue is that we name all of this junk "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "The Patriot Act". If you oppose or go against these, you're clearly against freedom and patriotism.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
Obama inherited a mess -- a mess which I admittedly helped create with previous votes. Last I checked, his plan was to have troops out by August 2010. Can we please wait until then before saying "well why hasn't he kept his promise?"
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Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Ummm to point out the blatantly obvious that my mother taught me years ago...
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
And by the way guys look at the date before you say the "WAR" on terror is not needed...
Yes I do agree that US troops should not be in Afghanistan or Iraq we should have just lobbed a few nukes over there end killed everybody right???? Hey there are no innocents right???
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That's just it. Everytime we check, it's a different promise :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by commiecat
We're killing enough innocents without the nukes. What was it Rummy said about not being able to make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
If we would have done the job in Afghanistan to begin with instead of pulling most of our resources out to go after saddam we might have achieved that objective (and a good one it was) long ago.
We cannot afford to allow the taliban and al queda to have the safe havens so we are stuck with that but iraq was a fool's errand.
Here is a little something to chew on commiecat:Quote:
Originally Posted by commiecat
Obama Administration Quietly Expands Bush's Legal Defense of Warrantless Wiretapping | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet
If you wish to believe That the Obama administration is as honest as the day is long go ahead.
This proves to me that he is no fool. He hears the advice of the intelligence community and the military and acts upon it. Call him weak but I think he is a tough and savvy pol who is doing what it takes to protect the country from the bad guys who would slit all of our throats if they had half a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
Edit; If he didn't do it you'd knock him for that. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
A lot of great things being said here left and right. 2 wars and space missions that are unneeeded. Trillions in debt and more on the way. Maybe we should unfund the 2 wars for oil, and surely we've had vengeance on the infedels already by now, so these are unnecessary. I agree wholeheartedly with Jimmy, let the Martians have Mars. Use this money to pay off debt and then talk about reform. Going from one compromised mess to the other isnt working, lets clean up our act across the board and then see what we can do.
As far as Obamas promise to end the war, it reminds me of Dick Nixon inheriting LBJs VietNam, Dick made the same promise Obama is making now, I bet Obama keeps the promise in the same way, it will get darker before it gets better. Ya gotta remember, you didnt put these people in office, they were paraded in front of you by the power brokers, all you did(or do an any election) was pick your poison.
10th of september?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Oh you mean the 11th? The day that Starvation.net - The Three Top Sins Of The Universe by Mark R. Elsis35000 people died.
I didn't mention Afghanistan btw. I don't think many if any people disagreed with that. You got global support for Afghanistan. There was a cause for that one.
You should have just stayed out of Iraq. They didn't have WMD, and they didn't support al qaeda. And the US knew this before they went to Iraq. The war happened because dubya wanted to finish what his daddy started, or because the US had a stockpile of ammo to burn, or because Saddam gave everyone the finger. Or maybe because he wanted euros for his oil.
Whatever the reason, as it turned out, terrorism wasn't it.
Interesting, but of no concern. I know that both Obama and McCain voted for the Patriot Act, which I deeply disapprove of. I'm just saying that when these unconstitutional motions are named as such, it makes it difficult for our politicians to go against them. My ideal candidate was Dr. Paul for reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
You disregarded the meat of my comment, though, which was that we should withhold judgment on troop withdrawal until the date he outlined. Hell, give the man a flippin' year or two in office to do something. His expectations are high but we have to be reasonable when looking at a mess that was many years in the making.