A Little Payback At 9PM Tonight

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11-10-2009, 04:50 PM
MichaelP

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I don't know from the track record if there is an effective deterrent.

Death penalty isn't an effective deterrent for a very simple reason: try to imagine yourself dead. You just can't, it is impossible for human beings to imagine themselves as non-living. On top of that problem, the majority of the criminals getting caught are of a below average intelligence or imagination.

I have a few ideas of effective deterrents, they're not very politically correct or even feasible yet. :mace:
11-10-2009, 05:06 PM
Jantjeuh

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Originally Posted by MichaelP

You just can't, it is impossible for human beings to imagine themselves as non-living.

What an insight, it is indeed difficult if not impossible...

Seems like torture is the way to go then... Shave with an M3 for the rest of your life, ATG only... how 'bout that? :medvl:
11-10-2009, 05:49 PM
icedog

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I don't know from the track record if there is an effective deterrent. You have crimes of passion where reason yields to instinct as well as calculated and dispassionate murders for a profit motive and many variations between those examples. In this case it was the profit motive.

While it is bizarre and wouldn't be believable if it had been a screenplay this guy intended to terrorize the population .... and did... with the motive of getting a ransom of a million or more IIRC.

Barbaric or not if ever a creep deserved to get his this guy is a poster child for the retributive value of the death penalty. I will truly have a sense of satisfaction at 9:01 tonight.

Actually Jimmy the truth is even more bizarre. The guy was killing innocent people not to gain any financial edge. His goal was to create a smokescreen to cover the eventual murder of his wife and gain custody of his three children. He is really just a loving if not slightly misguided father.
11-10-2009, 05:54 PM
JohnnyCakeDC

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Originally Posted by icedog

Actually Jimmy the truth is even more bizarre. The guy was killing innocent people not to gain any financial edge. His goal was to create a smokescreen to cover the eventual murder of his wife and gain custody of his three children. He is really just a loving if not slightly misguided father.

That Theory Belongs to and was originated by his ex wife. I personally don't have a theory because I feel it enables this bastard. I don't want to get in his head and ask why. I just want him dead.
11-10-2009, 06:03 PM
JohnnyCakeDC

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

II will truly have a sense of satisfaction at 9:01 tonight.

You said a mouthful pal.:tu
11-10-2009, 07:58 PM
aroliver59

As a retired prison guard,I can tell you that life behind bars is not the slow meting out of punishment that people outside prison think it is.These guys have way too much fun,recreation,movies,books,t.v.,school,organized sports with officiating,etc,etc,etc.They even had a ski-jump and hockey rink at one prison.(although it was fun to watch them crash off the ski jump)IMO they don't deserve to EVER have fun let alone breathe the same air as the families of their victims.
11-10-2009, 10:36 PM
gregs656

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Originally Posted by majurey

So the argument for and against the death penalty lies outside the issue of deterrent, I reckon.

quite.

Personally, I think giving people an easy out isn't much of a punishment. After all, you don't give a damn, you're dead.

Whilst there are still people committing suicide in prison, I will sit on that side of the fence.
11-10-2009, 11:15 PM
CRR

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Originally Posted by gregs656

quite.

Personally, I think giving people an easy out isn't much of a punishment. After all, you don't give a damn, you're dead.

Whilst there are still people committing suicide in prison, I will sit on that side of the fence.

I wouldn't agree that it is an easy way out, in light of judgment on the other side. From a Christian perspective capital punishment is just. If you take the life of a person by murder, then your life is rightfully forfeited. To be clear, there's a distinction between killing and murder. All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder. Murder is the unjustified killing of a person.

Obviously there are those who would disagree with my view and I do understand that. Capital punishment is justice being served and that is ultimatly a good thing, IMO.
11-10-2009, 11:23 PM
gregs656

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Originally Posted by CRR

I wouldn't agree that it is an easy way out, in light of judgment on the other side. From a Christian perspective capital punishment is just. If you take the life of a person by murder, then your life is rightfully forfeited. To be clear, there's a distinction between killing and murder. All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder. Murder is the unjustified killing of a person.

Obviously there are those who would disagree with my view and I do understand that. Capital punishment is justice being served and that is ultimatly a good thing, IMO.

Ah, so it only works out if you have faith. Well, I'm still on the other side of the fence.

You definitions are out. Murder is a intentional killing. Killing is causing death.

Ah, 'for the greater good', you know what they say about the road to hell.

There is another saying 'an eye for an eye leaves every one blind' and 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'
11-10-2009, 11:26 PM
ChrisL

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Originally Posted by aroliver59

As a retired prison guard,I can tell you that life behind bars is not the slow meting out of punishment that people outside prison think it is.These guys have way too much fun,recreation,movies,books,t.v.,school,organized sports with officiating,etc,etc,etc.They even had a ski-jump and hockey rink at one prison.(although it was fun to watch them crash off the ski jump)IMO they don't deserve to EVER have fun let alone breathe the same air as the families of their victims.

I've said this before quite some time ago on a related post. I'm opposed to capital punishment but irrespective of that, as a deterrent I think close to completely ineffective.

What you've stated above is the problem. Wouldn't sitting in a bare cell with no fun, no toys, no stimulation, no anything for the rest of a person's life be a sincerely crushing punishment? I would assume a person would first become insane, then have a mind that would probably turn to jelly. If the current prison system is close to Club Med, take it all away and make confinement absolute and stark; near total sensory deprivation for life. Now THAT sounds horrific and even hard to imagine.

Chris L

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