Dark Matter

It may be dark, it may be light, but does it really matter? Is gravity of any real consequence to things other than, oh, apples? After all the universe is continuing to expand. Wouldn't one expect that after billions and billions of years of supposedly pulling things together that gravity actually would be starting to pull things together? Or is it like corporate executives, the cosmos just does things its way regardless of how us little folks think it ought to behave, lambda or no lambda?

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Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Well that's in the definition of dark matter:

Dark matter is a theoretical form of matter that is undetectable by its emitted radiation, but whose presence can be inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter.

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Which was also in my OP:

theoretical
undetectable
presence can be inferred

So, we're back to page #1!:)

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Which is essentially my point made in the OP:

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There is still a difference between the two tho: science changes as our knowledge advances and our knowledge advances through observation of the world around us.

I'm not saying that the science side of the debate holds the ultimate truth, I personally think that both sides attack the same problem from different angles. As usual in those cases, the extremes on both sides miss the big picture completely. The world isn't binary...

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Which was also in my OP:

theoretical
undetectable
presence can be inferred

So, we're back to page #1!:)

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It's still more observable then the presence of God.

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Originally Posted by NYCshaver

It's still more observable then the presence of God.

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That is quite debateable (see pages 1-15....).

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EDIT: And for that matter have you, yourself tried looking for the presence of either one?

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Originally Posted by MichaelP

There is still a difference between the two tho: science changes as our knowledge advances and our knowledge advances through observation of the world around us.

I'm not saying that the science side of the debate holds the ultimate truth, I personally think that both sides attack the same problem from different angles. As usual in those cases, the extremes on both sides miss the big picture completely. The world isn't binary...

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Ther world isn't binary, and the universe is only 4.5% observable, so there is alot of "unknown" out there.

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Which was also in my OP:

theoretical
undetectable
presence can be inferred

So, we're back to page #1!:)

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Again?!?! It is very simple: you can detect the gravitational field, but not the electromagnetic.

Once you want to blur it to philosophy the way you are trying everything you know is theoretical, undetectable, and its presence can be inferred.

Toss a coin, what do you infer from the way it falls?

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Originally Posted by gugi

Again?!?! It is very simple: you can detect gravitational field, but not the electromagnetic.

Once you want to blur it to philosophy the way you are trying everything you know is theoretical, undetectable, and its presence can be inferred.

Toss a coin, what do you infer from the way it falls?

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Well, when I toss a coin, the fact that it falls downwards after reaching apogee, indicates the strong pull from the invisible, theoretical dark matter contained in the floor.

It's quite obvious;)

And don't try and besmirch my argument by saying it's purely philosophical, as on the other side (of the coin) the arguments for dark matter are purely theoretical.


So there.

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Originally Posted by gugi

Again?!?! It is very simple: you can detect the gravitational field, but not the electromagnetic.

Once you want to blur it to philosophy the way you are trying everything you know is theoretical, undetectable, and its presence can be inferred.

Toss a coin, what do you infer from the way it falls?

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Let me ask you a question:

Have they discovered any evidence of dark matter located somewhere other than near another astronomical object?

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

That is quite debateable (see pages 1-15....).

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Sure you can debate it but the conclusion is the same.

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

EDIT: And for that matter have you, yourself tried looking for the presence of either one?

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Either one? God and dark matter?

I don't have the equipment to view the effects of dark matter.

What am I supposed to be looking for when you say God? Everyone seems to have their own definition and "evidence" of God.

And which God should I be looking for?