Qualifications for parents

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Originally Posted by welshwizard

I'm not sure that's true these days. Our moral and ethical standards have slipped so far that pretty much anything goes.
When someone is doing or saying something in public which many would find offensive there seems to be a shortage of right minded folk telling them to desist.
A great many youngsters (and adults that should know better) are pretty much out of control because there is no-one to tell them right from wrong for fear of being labelled interfering or politically incorrect (or from fear of getting punched in the face).

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Very good point. I do agree with what you are saying if you are referring to the "silent asserters" who, IMHO, have prostrated themselves on the altar of political correctness and are complicite themselves. I was referring to those who try to push their ideology down someone else's throat and get away with it since no one, as you have pointed out, calls them on it.

Personnally I think that if the parents reasons for teaching against homosexuality is based on religious belief, then they shouldn't be allowed to teach that at all. I feel that religion is a personal choice and that jamming religion down the throats of impressionable youngsters is child abuse.
As parents we should be concentrating on keeping our kids safe and showing them how to think for themselves. Of course it's a complicated subject with a lot of finer points, not easily addressed.
The government should stop interferring as well...Laws are made, seemingly to protect the criminals etc, etc, etc.


Mick

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Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Huh? Most want to take religion serious but they don't?
Religion is pretty serious here in the USA.



Are you serious? Parents have disowned their children when they find out they are gay. You don't think that would mentally harm someone?



Ted Haggard

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I live in the USA and I know what is serious and what is not. Please put an opinion about the OP instead of attacking.

Parents also disown their children for racial issues so that is not really a good point. It happens more for racial issues than sexual IMO.

Ted Haggard was a Heterosexual that paid someone to have sex with him and used Meth (a very addicting drug). The counseling was not because of his sexual orientation from what I have read. The only link for that was that he is gay and a minister.

NYCshaver, I do ask that if you have an opinion on this subject please post on your opinion and stop what is apearing as blatant attacks.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by MickR

Personnally I think that if the parents reasons for teaching against homosexuality is based on religious belief, then they shouldn't be allowed to teach that at all. I feel that religion is a personal choice and that jamming religion down the throats of impressionable youngsters is child abuse.
As parents we should be concentrating on keeping our kids safe and showing them how to think for themselves. Of course it's a complicated subject with a lot of finer points, not easily addressed.
The government should stop interfering as well...Laws are made, seemingly to protect the criminals etc, etc, etc.


Mick

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I can agree to a point. Religion is a personal choice but every parent teaches their children their religion. Yes some parts of religion should not be pushed when teaching their religion but I cannot agree that a parent has no right to teach their child their religion. If that is considered child abuse then most of the population in the world is guilty of child abuse, and churches are accused of the same because they have programs designed specifically to teach young children the religion.

I also believe the government needs to stop interfering with a lot of things. Most countries are not communist and the more the government interferes the more communist like everything becomes.

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Originally Posted by MickR

I feel that religion is a personal choice and that jamming religion down the throats of impressionable youngsters is child abuse.

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Lots of things in life are personal choices. Until a child is old enough and informed enough to make those choices on their own, I don't see anything wrong with a parent making those choices for them.

Is it abusive to teach a kid about hunting and fishing? That's a personal choice that not everyone subscribes to.
What about gun ownership? The choice of whether or not to eat meat? Is it ok for a parent to discuss their political viewpoints with a young child?

I think most of this comes down to what is seen as moral and what is not.

This perception is different for everyone, even if someone agrees with another there is always a slight difference.

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Originally Posted by TSasser

I think most of this comes down to what is seen as moral and what is not.

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For me, it's one step beyond that... My problem is with who gets to be the ultimate judge of what is morally right or wrong, where do they draw the lines, and how are those lines established.

Since morality appears to be a personal thing (which I don't believe it is) and since so many people have differing points of view on what is moral, we are pretty much left with obeying civil laws set up by whatever government is in control. The government in essence becomes the de facto arbitrator of what is moral or immoral and codifies it accordingly.

Consequently, if teaching one's child leftist or rightist politics is deemed by some to be child abuse as long as there is no civil law forbidding it, why should the parents care at all what the other person(s) think?

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Originally Posted by NYCshaver

I don't think religion had anything to do with why they were rejected. They were rejected for the belief. It wouldn't matter if it was based on religion or not. They'd still be rejected.

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Everyone is entitled their opinion.

The whole issue is just a reflection of society as a whole. Just take a look around you at the state of things in this country. Morality is one signpost. it's all a complete downhill slide which has been going on for some time now.

As far as children and religion go it's basically a form of indoctrination. Without it kids wouldn't follow the religion especially the more limiting ones.