This is Lame! More Neutering of the American Male!

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Originally Posted by joesixpack

I think you're confused as to what a news organization is supposed to do. They are there only to present facts, not to take sides in the debate. I don't think they cut Obama any more slack than they did Bush, Clinton, or any of the other presidents that they've covered.

Furthermore, they have never, to my knowledge, expressed ANY support for "socialistic programs", and I've been listening to NPR for well over two decades. Again, I think this speaks to what your expectation of a news organization should do. You seem to think that they should take sides in the debate, and because they don't take your side they must be liberal jack-asses.

I prefer my news source to present facts, all the facts and keep their opinion to the editorials.

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i am not confused as to any point....... i think part of the problem is geographical.... where you live it is a well established fact that the people are more "liberal" and socialist *(read that as hippies).....

where as where i come from *(central louisiana) the people are more conservative and less tolerant of free loaders in society *(altho there are a ton of them there..... ) and where i live now it is extremely conservative *(cubans as a whole are very conservative but oddly will vote dem because of immigration issues)..*(the haitians tend to be liberal due to the social programs and their dependence on them....)

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

OK this might seem simplistic, but how about if you make laws that ban the sale of any tobacco products to minors ????? You would think that would solve the problem wouldn't you?????

I mean what difference would it make if adults (the ball players in this case) do bad things if minors can't buy them right???


:) there problem solved

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but senor gssixgun.... it is ALREADY illegal to sell/use tobacco products buy people under 18........

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Originally Posted by paco664

but senor gssixgun.... it is ALREADY illegal to sell/use tobacco products buy people under 18........

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Thank you for pointing out the obvious, perhaps someone should point that out to the morons in Washington :)

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Thank you for pointing out the obvious, perhaps someone should point that out to the morons in Washington :)

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i found our messenger...

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Prohibition never works. You guys in the US should know that by now.

The best approach is to change people's attitudes so they do all the work for you (cue rabid anti-smokers accosting unsuspecting innocent coffee-break smokers), thus avoiding the need to legislate or appear overtly big-brothery.

One of the worst times to change an attitude, as the Conversation forum so ably demonstrates time and again, is in later life. The best time is when people are young.

Professional athletes are paid a lot of money, and are meant to have discipline that we mere mortals can only dream of. So where is the issue actually asking these people to do something for others (or are we now going to have an argument that tobacco and related products are not bad for your health over the long term?)?

In my book, unhealthy habits have no place in professional sport. If these guys cannot clean their own house, then they shouldn't whine when others do it for them. Just take your pay cheque, smile politely for the camera, and chew your tabaccy in the privacy of your own Mac-mansion.

James.

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Originally Posted by paco664

i am not confused as to any point....... i think part of the problem is geographical.... where you live it is a well established fact that the people are more "liberal" and socialist *(read that as hippies).....

where as where i come from *(central louisiana) the people are more conservative and less tolerant of free loaders in society *(altho there are a ton of them there..... ) and where i live now it is extremely conservative *(cubans as a whole are very conservative but oddly will vote dem because of immigration issues)..*(the haitians tend to be liberal due to the social programs and their dependence on them....)

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Actually, where I come from is not far from where you come from. I was born and raised in East TX, and my mother is from Metairie LA. Where I live now is not terribly different from where I grew up, either. This still doesn't answer my point about news outlets presenting facts as opposed to opinion. And you still haven't presented me with any sort of evidence that would support your assertion that NPR is a liberal news organization.

I get the feeling that you don't really know a great many liberals because you seem to think that they all fit some sort of granola eating hippie stereotype, and I'm pretty certain that you don't actually know ANY socialists personally either.

Let me also point out that many so-called "liberal" causes have nothing to do with "free-loading" on society. Gay marriage, the wars in the middle east, prayer in school, teaching evolution in school, access to birth control, abortion, and discrimination have nothing to do with taking hand-outs. And looking back over the course of history, we see things like suffrage and voting rights, civil rights, and the abolition of slavery that were considered "liberal" in their day.

If you constantly allow yourself to fall into the trap of self-defining labels like "liberal" and "conservative" then you'll never be able to judge issues based on their merits. On some issues I'm probably considered very conservative, and on others I'd be considered very liberal. People shouldn't allow labels define them.

ahhh.. there is where you are wrong in your assumption of me like i was wrong in my assumption of you.....

the truth of the matter is... i am conservative *(no really!!!).... BUT...

i don't care about legalizing weed... legalize it... tax it...
i don't care about abortion... not a woman... never been pregnant... not a issue to me... some kids are better off not brought into this world.....
gay marriage... i could give less of a damn... let em figure out what "half your property and alimony" means.....

what is important to me... is that my government stops being a nanny to the world.... stops being a nanny to me.... stop telling me that "no child should be left behind".. which is BS... granpa said "the world needs ditch diggers also"... *(that means not every kid should go to college.... because some are just not gonna make it.... therefore send the best and let the rest work.... just like i did...)

as far as explaining why NPR is blatantly liberal... no matter what i find... no matter how i put it to you... you will never see it my way as i will never see it your way....

lets enjoy our shared hobby of shaving with straight razors and remain close friends who have never met...

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Originally Posted by joesixpack

People shouldn't allow labels define them.

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I've noticed that most liberals are labelers. From now on I will refer to them as laberals, and it will define them

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

I've noticed that most liberals are labelers. ...

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Conservative labeller!!!!!!!

James.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo

Conservative labeller!!!!!!!

James the laberal.

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See what I mean? There goes one as we post

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Originally Posted by paco664

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as far as explaining why NPR is blatantly liberal... no matter what i find... no matter how i put it to you... you will never see it my way as i will never see it your way....

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Well, this is what I'm still wondering about. You haven't actually put it to me any way other than to assert it. I'm perfectly willing to hear you out on any examples of blatantly liberal slanting of stories.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm certain that you and I would agree that the majority of the NPR audience is liberal. One minute spent reading the comments section on any of their stories will clearly demonstrate that. But a liberal audience and even liberal reporters doesn't necessarily mean that the finished product will have a liberal slant.

And don't think I'm defending them either. They absolutely suck at doing the news that they do cover. My radio is flocked with bits of food and spit from me yelling at it while I'm eating breakfast. Their cutesy smug pseudo-intellectual way of covering everything from war to the economy drives me up a tree. Unfortunately, they are all I have out here (except for the BBC, which doesn't suck).