This is the first I've heard of this whether it be a cup or a bowl. I won't attempt to find it on the web. Things of the world, I can live without seeing it, whatever it is ...... i can only imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo7
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This is the first I've heard of this whether it be a cup or a bowl. I won't attempt to find it on the web. Things of the world, I can live without seeing it, whatever it is ...... i can only imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo7
You don't have news in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
You have infomercials. It's an entertainment show involving anchors, who spin events with a slant that will be appreciated by the viewers of that particular channel.
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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
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I'd have to say that it's not really much different anywhere else in the world. There are reliable news outlets in the US, though they need to be sought out. Yahoo, Fox, CNN and other media outlets are simply the loudest, not the only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
The sad fact is that journalism costs money, and good journalism costs more. Whoever supplies that money has the most say in what gets covered and how.
Bruno is correct, I have noticed that if you want to know whats happening in the US you need to watch/listen to a foreign news source, the same is true everywhere. The powers that be, wish to remain.
Or NPR.....
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Originally Posted by nun2sharp
...or Reuters or ProPublica...Quote:
Originally Posted by Slartibartfast
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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast
Really? There is real news out there somewhere? Are you sure?
James.
...and AP...
Do you actually listen to NPR? I find that most of the people who insist that NPR has a liberal bias are the ones who have never listened to it for more than 5 minutes. And for the record, NPR is a mere shadow of it's former self. It used to scoop the mainstream news on a weekly basis, now they seem to mostly repeat the same stories but geared toward a more college educated suburbanites. They seem to relish their standing among that demographic.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Lisa Simeone: SoundPrint freelancer fired after NPR began investigating her Occupy Wall Street ties.Quote:
Originally Posted by joesixpack
They may be a shadow of their former self, but I would argue it still has a bit of a bias. The above is a recent example.
Edit: I suppose she was fired, so that's reassuring. At least the higher-ups strive for journalistic integrity, which is more than can be said for many of our news outlets.
The point is that we do have news sources that aren't just shouting heads like Fox and MSNBC, whose anchors spend more time discussing Lindsay Lohan's parole than the death of Gaddafi. I think that NPR and PBS have news shows that are genuinely written to tell people what the heck is going on in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo7
Pretty confident that there isn't a news source in the world that doesn't have a bit of a bias and/or has had a controversy in their past. It's not that NPR is free of bias, but more to the point that they're more news than tabloid or advertisement.
I find that The Onion has news that is just as reliable as most other sources. They just don't lie about it being mostly made up.
NPR is so blatantly liberal/socialist it is nauseating.... from the firing of juan williams for speaking his mind and not following the internal memos not to say anything bad about islam..... to the fact that the head of NPR vivian schiller was fired for blatant socialistic tendency's... NPR – Fires CEO following multiple revelations of NPR’s Damning Socialist Extremism | VotingFemale
I listened to NPR regularly for years. Programs such as The Diane Rehm Show, To The Point and of course All Things Considered. I believe they, NPR as a whole, does have a liberal agenda/bias. Ask Juan Williams what his take is. I stopped listening only recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by joesixpack
The irresponsibility of the republicans in refusing to compromise one iota is reminiscent of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. Rather than attempt to work together in a partisan manner to possibly have a positive impact on the economy, and the situation millions of Americans find themselves in, the republican agenda is to keep things as bad as they can be so they have a better chance of beating the democrats in 2012 ..... whoever gets the dem nomination. It won't necessarily be Obama IMHO.
The straw, if you're still reading , that broke this camel's back was the debt crisis fiasco. The economy had a small amount of positive momentum and for the first time in American history the republicans brought the thing down to the wire. This disturbed most Americans so much , along with the Standard & Poors taking our credit rating down from triple A. This had a chilling effect on the economy and broke whatever positive momentum there had been. So I stopped listening to either side. I decided then that I'm doing a Timothy Leary without the drugs. I'm tuned out and dropped out until it comes time to vote in 2012. Then it will , no doubt, be the way it has been all of my voting life ..... the lesser of two evils being the only choice.
Your citation is blogspam and the fact that Vivian Schiller actually resigned kind of takes away some validity there. What news source would you say provides the best information about what is going on in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by paco664
I'm also tuned out. I just don't care anymore. The whole game is ridiculous.
difficult to say to be quite honest.... i do not watch television at all *(other than when i am at work and am forced to due to being in a room with coworkers... we watch a lot of food network and occasionally CNN until i get sick of it and make them change the channel or turn off the tv..)Quote:
Originally Posted by commiecat
i get my news from the internet... some through blogs... some through msn/yahoo/google/etc.... i am a voracious reader......
as to your question about who is the best... i cannot answer that.... the ALL have glaring faults and slants.... most slant wayyyyyyyyy left.... a few slant wayyyyyy right....... absolutely none are straight up the middle.....
vivian schiller was given the option to resign or face a nasty and very public firing.... this from one of the stories linked to in that wiki...
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Her resignation comes at a precarious time for public broadcasting, as Republicans in Congress are trying to strip NPR and its member stations of tens of millions of dollars in federal funds. NPR has been consumed by controversy as of late; most recently, a Republican filmmaker released a video on Tuesday that showed one of NPR’s fund-raising executives repeatedly criticizing Republicans and Tea Party supporters in a conversation with people posing as prospective donors.
Dangerously so. Either way you vote you get someone whose sole intent (as it seems to me) is to find a way to destroy the country. As far as I can tell every President, administration and Congress has been worse than the last, since the death of JFK.Quote:
Originally Posted by HNSB
I'm just looking for any news source, not specifically TV. Only news I watch on TV is the Today Show, mostly as background noise while I'm getting ready and I pay attention when our little local news bit comes on. Otherwise I read aggregator websites and the BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by paco664
If it's done by humans, there will be bias of some sort. My point is that America doesn't just have LOUD NOISES! news shows. I go to NPR's site and I see things happening in the world with articles being the focus. Usually got to click through a bit to get to the tabloid parts, and they don't cater to advertisers or ratings.
Ok, so we get the baseball players to stop using dipped or chewed tobacco, does this mean they will have to stop spitting too? I think I lost my big chance at the big show when I couldn't muster up that really husky hawk and spit on command, oh, and I just swalloed the juice from my Copenhagen. I could hit a ball 600 feet, but no spit, no big show. Darn.
Yeah, NPR really is one of the few real sources of NEWS left in the country. It was about the only place that I've read and heard in depth reporting on the causes of the finical crisis that we're in now. The rest are either a bunch of distracting fluff or very annoying people trying to force their opinions very loudly down your throat. Such horrible, vapid opinions, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by commiecat
This brings to mind something fairly recent. Elliot Spritzer had that new shows on around 7 for a while, and it was about the best news interview show that I'd seen. Spritzer may like his hookers, but he also liked pinning mealy mouthed politicians to the wall when they tried their typical BSing around the issues. It was truly a thing of beauty. He was smarter than 90% of them and have a full grasp of the issues at hand. Compared to the typical cable news anchor questions such as "Really? why do you think that?" and "Can you tell us more?" it was really refreshing. Of course the show was canceled pretty quickly. I guess it wasn't exciting enough for CNN... not enough dead children being exploited...
just goes to prove the point............. one mans turd is another mans babe ruth bar.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete_S
Frankly I'm at a loss as to why NPR has the reputation as a liberal medial outlet. I'm wondering if you could point out a particular story that they've run which would illustrate their left-wing slant.Quote:
Originally Posted by paco664
Here's an interesting article about a study to determine what the bias of various news outlets. It was done back in 2005, and I have some doubts as to it's accuracy, but it seems the most unbiased (ha!) study that I could find (after an exhaustive 2 minute search on the Google).
frankly i am at a loss as to how you can think otherwise.... find me an instance where the took a conservative outlook to anything.... when they have called for less government spending... less social programs...Quote:
Originally Posted by joesixpack
you cannot find these things... they fellate the POTUS and his socialistic programs of "let the government take care of you.. because you cannot take care of yourself" with reckless abandon.....
its a wonder they don't need neck braces...
I think you're confused as to what a news organization is supposed to do. They are there only to present facts, not to take sides in the debate. I don't think they cut Obama any more slack than they did Bush, Clinton, or any of the other presidents that they've covered.
Furthermore, they have never, to my knowledge, expressed ANY support for "socialistic programs", and I've been listening to NPR for well over two decades. Again, I think this speaks to what your expectation of a news organization should do. You seem to think that they should take sides in the debate, and because they don't take your side they must be liberal jack-asses.
I prefer my news source to present facts, all the facts and keep their opinion to the editorials.
OK this might seem simplistic, but how about if you make laws that ban the sale of any tobacco products to minors ????? You would think that would solve the problem wouldn't you?????
I mean what difference would it make if adults (the ball players in this case) do bad things if minors can't buy them right???
:) there problem solved
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Originally Posted by gssixgun
i am not confused as to any point....... i think part of the problem is geographical.... where you live it is a well established fact that the people are more "liberal" and socialist *(read that as hippies).....Quote:
Originally Posted by joesixpack
where as where i come from *(central louisiana) the people are more conservative and less tolerant of free loaders in society *(altho there are a ton of them there..... ) and where i live now it is extremely conservative *(cubans as a whole are very conservative but oddly will vote dem because of immigration issues)..*(the haitians tend to be liberal due to the social programs and their dependence on them....)
but senor gssixgun.... it is ALREADY illegal to sell/use tobacco products buy people under 18........Quote:
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious, perhaps someone should point that out to the morons in Washington :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paco664
i found our messenger...Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
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Prohibition never works. You guys in the US should know that by now.
The best approach is to change people's attitudes so they do all the work for you (cue rabid anti-smokers accosting unsuspecting innocent coffee-break smokers), thus avoiding the need to legislate or appear overtly big-brothery.
One of the worst times to change an attitude, as the Conversation forum so ably demonstrates time and again, is in later life. The best time is when people are young.
Professional athletes are paid a lot of money, and are meant to have discipline that we mere mortals can only dream of. So where is the issue actually asking these people to do something for others (or are we now going to have an argument that tobacco and related products are not bad for your health over the long term?)?
In my book, unhealthy habits have no place in professional sport. If these guys cannot clean their own house, then they shouldn't whine when others do it for them. Just take your pay cheque, smile politely for the camera, and chew your tabaccy in the privacy of your own Mac-mansion.
James.
Actually, where I come from is not far from where you come from. I was born and raised in East TX, and my mother is from Metairie LA. Where I live now is not terribly different from where I grew up, either. This still doesn't answer my point about news outlets presenting facts as opposed to opinion. And you still haven't presented me with any sort of evidence that would support your assertion that NPR is a liberal news organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by paco664
I get the feeling that you don't really know a great many liberals because you seem to think that they all fit some sort of granola eating hippie stereotype, and I'm pretty certain that you don't actually know ANY socialists personally either.
Let me also point out that many so-called "liberal" causes have nothing to do with "free-loading" on society. Gay marriage, the wars in the middle east, prayer in school, teaching evolution in school, access to birth control, abortion, and discrimination have nothing to do with taking hand-outs. And looking back over the course of history, we see things like suffrage and voting rights, civil rights, and the abolition of slavery that were considered "liberal" in their day.
If you constantly allow yourself to fall into the trap of self-defining labels like "liberal" and "conservative" then you'll never be able to judge issues based on their merits. On some issues I'm probably considered very conservative, and on others I'd be considered very liberal. People shouldn't allow labels define them.
ahhh.. there is where you are wrong in your assumption of me like i was wrong in my assumption of you.....
the truth of the matter is... i am conservative *(no really!!!).... BUT...
i don't care about legalizing weed... legalize it... tax it...
i don't care about abortion... not a woman... never been pregnant... not a issue to me... some kids are better off not brought into this world.....
gay marriage... i could give less of a damn... let em figure out what "half your property and alimony" means.....
what is important to me... is that my government stops being a nanny to the world.... stops being a nanny to me.... stop telling me that "no child should be left behind".. which is BS... granpa said "the world needs ditch diggers also"... *(that means not every kid should go to college.... because some are just not gonna make it.... therefore send the best and let the rest work.... just like i did...)
as far as explaining why NPR is blatantly liberal... no matter what i find... no matter how i put it to you... you will never see it my way as i will never see it your way....
lets enjoy our shared hobby of shaving with straight razors and remain close friends who have never met...
I've noticed that most liberals are labelers. From now on I will refer to them as laberals, and it will define themQuote:
Originally Posted by joesixpack
Conservative labeller!!!!!!!Quote:
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James.
See what I mean? There goes one as we postQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
Well, this is what I'm still wondering about. You haven't actually put it to me any way other than to assert it. I'm perfectly willing to hear you out on any examples of blatantly liberal slanting of stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by paco664
Don't misunderstand me, I'm certain that you and I would agree that the majority of the NPR audience is liberal. One minute spent reading the comments section on any of their stories will clearly demonstrate that. But a liberal audience and even liberal reporters doesn't necessarily mean that the finished product will have a liberal slant.
And don't think I'm defending them either. They absolutely suck at doing the news that they do cover. My radio is flocked with bits of food and spit from me yelling at it while I'm eating breakfast. Their cutesy smug pseudo-intellectual way of covering everything from war to the economy drives me up a tree. Unfortunately, they are all I have out here (except for the BBC, which doesn't suck).