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What was that T.V series where they said about the "bad guys", they have a plan. Well the folks who are controlling things in our society have a plan too and its right on schedule. Just create hate and discontent and keep things churning so the populace is bambooseled.
Personally, I think Gingrich would take Obama apart in a debate. It's obvious to me that Obama's lack of experience shines through every day and with every utterance. I'd rather see Gingrich as President than another term for Obama, et al or someone whose only experience is as governor of TX or MA.
“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.”
John Adams
I have not been paying any attention to any of this stuff, but one thing recently came to my attention, and that was the reports of this Gingrich character's ideas about Palestine being an invented culture...
I have no idea if it is true or not, though I do know Palestine as a geographical area appears in the Bible and is historically an area, so it would be weird if some kind of national identity had not developed over the past 4000 years or so. But my biggest concern is, so what if they are invented as a culture? Americans should know better than anyone else that all cultures need to start somewhere.
The idea that because you are not an historically entrenched people or culture, that you have therefore no right to claim an area as your own, is patently absurd. (I wonder what Mr Gingrich's time limit on a culture is before it becomes a valid one. One hopes more than 200 years.....) If you want to use that logic, the US will help liberate Australia for the Indigenous population - we are a made up culture only around 200 years old. And then perhaps Mr Gingrich would like to help the Native Americans liberate the USA from the made up culture of the USA - Australians and Americans are, after all, simply Anglos who moved in a few hundred years back. And then perhaps he could move on to South America and liberate it from the Spanish and Portugese....
Really, this is the best the Republicans have? Oh dear.
James.
Jimbo Roo did you actually see the entire clip or did you see just the snipetts from the "News"...
What Newt meant, was that the "Palistinian" people were being played as pawns on the Middle Eastern stage... at least that is what I understood his story to mean... heck maybe I could be wrong at that too..,. :)
PS: Newt would not be my first choice as President either
I have been doing this for several election cycles now, AFIAC there is nothing conservative about most of the Republicans and very few true liberals in the Democratic party. The people are too easily divided and conquered .Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoutHikerDad
Glen I only saw the news snippet, so yes it is entirely possible I have completely misconstrued the entire thing. I sincerely wish that is the case - I would prefer to be wrong than to think there are people like that in the world.
James.
If what Gingrich meant to say is that they are pawns in Middle East Arab-Israeli politics, then he should have said as much. To say, however, that the Palestinians are an "invented people" implies that neither their territorial claims nor their very existence as a people has any validity in the international community that the world's nations are bound to respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
A man should say what he means--and mean what he says.
LMAO we are talking of politicians here, none of them say what they really mean...Quote:
Originally Posted by jhenry
I still say, if Newt is the best we have to offer, we are in DEEEEEEEEEEEP trouble. 300 Million people and all we can come up with is this guy? Pretty bad if you ask me.
For your reading pleasure:
http://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel14.htm
Here's that portion of the interview published by the interviewer. It doesn't appear to be edited for content:
The Jewish Channel Exclusive Interview With Newt Gingrich Excerpt: "Invented Palestinian People" - YouTube
I think it's pretty clear what Gingrich is saying - (1) The Jewish people have the right to have a state (2) There was no historic palestinian state (3) Palestinians are 'invented people' who are actually arabs and should've gone to other places (4) It's mostly political reasons why there is a war against Israel.
As a historian he certainly knows about developing national identity, so this wasn't about history as his advisors tried to spin it afterwards. It was a political answer to a political question.
If the right wing media has dumbed down the views on issues of the republican electorate so much that they end up going with Gingrich I think they're in trouble when it comes to the election.