Ultimate Test of Civility ~ 2nd Amendment

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Originally Posted by JLStorm

Because we did the same thing in Vietnam, we tried to win over the people, only not to this degree, but we still tried to help them in our own way. Iraq has no jungles to hide in, and the desert only affords so many hiding spots once the buildings are levelled. As far as any countries near Russia, they are so poor Im pretty sure they would help us for the oil ;)

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Winning over people using carpet bombing and Agent Orange? You must be joking! That infuriates people.

I suggest you read "The Ugly American" and it tells you exactly why people, especially in the developing world hate the Americans.

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Originally Posted by urleebird

Sec162... I think you made a very good point about katrina. The same kind of thing happened in LA after the Rodney King beating. Remember seeing the video of the Koreans on top of their businesses with rifles to protect their businesses? Do you also remember that the police wouldn't even go near the area? There went that help.That would have been a pretty good time to have a gun in the house, I would think. I bet old Reginald Denny wished he had a gun in that truck of his.

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I still need to get my if the #$%@ hits the fan gun next year...Im thinking ar15 type chambered in 308 or an ak47...:thinking: decisions decisions.... Still trying to find a way to go class III full auto without a government contract...hehe

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Well, it did not work in Vetnam, so why would it work in Iraq?

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Enlighten me, Kees. What, exactly didn't work in Vietnam?

Do you even know what agent orange is, by the way?

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suggest you read "The Ugly American" and it tells you exactly why people, especially in the developing world hate the Americans.

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That include you as well, does it?

Agent Orange = carcinogenic herbicide used to kill off the crops and starve out the VC. It was also used to destroy the jungle thus making modern weaponry more effective and to make it more difficult for the Vietnamese to defend their land against a modern invading army. A secondary effect that a few (relatively speaking) vets and LOTS (both relatively and literally speaking) of locals caught the "big C" because of it.

Even though I don't hate US citizens (the term Americans technically should refer to citizens of all countries in the Americas), lots of people in the world do, mostly because of the US foreign policies.

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Originally Posted by urleebird

Do you even know what agent orange is, by the way?

IThat include you as well, does it?

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Well, Bill if it were up to me America would worry about our internal problems first before we started trying to save the rest of the world. If people who are committing mass genocide and the people who were being exterminated by the hundreds or thousands just complain about our help, than screw em, let them kill each other. As far as why the world hates Americans, I would love to see if we did not interveine and how every other country would be at our doorstep beggin us to help because their country is in trouble now. I say if our help isnt wanted let everyone else fend for themsevles and watch them as they weep once they realize that Mother America isnt there to step in and save them this time.

Josh, I agree with your argument in general..
You have to realize that there are at least two sides to every disagreement so if you help one side you'll be slighting the other. That's why my take on it is to stay out of the mess unless your borders get threatened or are asked to interfere by ALL sides and then only if it suits you. In any case, that's what the UN is for.

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Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

Agent Orange = carcinogenic herbicide used to kill off the crops and starve out the VC. It was also used to destroy the jungle thus making modern weaponry more effective and to make it more difficult for the Vietnamese to defend their land against a modern invading army. A secondary effect that a few (relatively speaking) vets and LOTS (both relatively and literally speaking) of locals caught the "big C" because of it.

Even though I don't hate US citizens (the term Americans technically should refer to citizens of all countries in the Americas), lots of people in the world do, mostly because of the US foreign policies.

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Well, I suppose that's one inaccurate way to look at it.

And the "accurate" way is that you were just dropping AO to kill the weeds thus helping feed the poor farmers you met during your friendly and peaceful strolls through the jungle? Just like you were tilling the fields in Serbia with Tomahawks and getting rid of those pesky power plants, bridges, passenger trains, embassies and tv stations?

Edit: I forgot all about apartment buildings and hospitals. They're worse than weeds :eek:

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...that's what the UN is for.

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Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

And the "accurate" way is that you were just dropping AO to kill the weeds thus helping feed the poor farmers you met during your friendly and peaceful strolls through the jungle?

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Yeah.. those poor farmers growing rice beneath bamboo and brush and trees so thick you had to crawl to get through it. It amazes me, sometimes, Ilija, where your words are emitted from.

Tell me exactly what crops were destroyed by agent orange. And since the stuff had to actually get on you to cause problems, just how many farmers over there now have cancer?

Maybe this would be a good time for you to quit pretending to know more than you really do. Oh, by the way. I have a few medical issues possibly related to agent orange. That should cut down a little on your percentage ratios and oughta make you feel better all at the same time.