Ultimate Test of Civility ~ 2nd Amendment

I was just watching an interview with an ex Mossad agent talking about the Israeli retaliation to the Munich massacre. He said “we went after anyone involved in the massacres, it didn’t matter how involved they were. It didn’t matter that they didn’t kill anyone that day because they would kill someone tomorrow, next day, or the next month. We killed all of them, because a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist” The only reason Israel hasn’t waged a complete war against Palestine is because of their agreement with the US to hold back and fight half assed. We should take lessons from them especially their airline practices; the IDF definitely has the right idea IMO.

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I was just watching an interview with an ex Mossad agent talking about the Israeli retaliation to the Munich massacre. He said “we went after anyone involved in the massacres, it didn’t matter how involved they were. It didn’t matter that they didn’t kill anyone that day because they would kill someone tomorrow, next day, or the next month. We killed all of them, because a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist” The only reason Israel hasn’t waged a complete war against Palestine is because of their agreement with the US to hold back and fight half assed. We should take lessons from them especially their airline practices; the IDF definitely has the right idea IMO.

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Okay. Someone take his guns away :D

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Originally Posted by JLStorm

And again why we can't wint through traditional means. I am not willing to sacrifice my children or any other American child to be a suicide bomber

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Me neither. And I'm also not willing to sacrafice any American life to create or support another Islamic theocracy.

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if we cannot come up with a more effective and less impactive solution, I am plenty willing to carpet bomb their entire city to avoid these children growing up to fulfill their parents dreams.

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Or allow them to slug it out in a civil war? Under our protection, Iraq created a constitution that made them an Islamic theocracy. They also voted in a government to carry it out. At least theoretically they have a democracy, but what they'll really have depends on who wins. If it's the Shiites they'll have a miniature Iran, tied to Iran. If it's the Sunnis they'll probably have another dictatorship. The Kurds, in any case, seem to have a working, peaceful separate area. In any case, Al Qaeda controls Anbar Province, and our generals don't think we can take it back. So, they now have what they lost in Afghanistan, but htis time they're actually governing the area.

I still think the thing to do is to get the three parties talking to each other and redeploy to the edge of Kurdistan. At that point it's up to them. They can slaughter each other or work something out. In either case, our troops are out of harm's way in a friendly part of Iraq, and they're close enough to the action to protect against foreign intervention.

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Originally Posted by JLStorm

I was just watching an interview with an ex Mossad agent talking about the Israeli retaliation to the Munich massacre. He said “we went after anyone involved in the massacres, it didn’t matter how involved they were. It didn’t matter that they didn’t kill anyone that day because they would kill someone tomorrow, next day, or the next month. We killed all of them, because a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist” The only reason Israel hasn’t waged a complete war against Palestine is because of their agreement with the US to hold back and fight half assed. We should take lessons from them especially their airline practices; the IDF definitely has the right idea IMO.

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Notice that Mossad was using terrorism against the terrorists, directly against members of the organization. There was no carpet bombing or killing of civilians. To do that, you have to go deep underground and track down individuals. It's not something you do with an army.

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Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

Me neither. And I'm also not willing to sacrafice any American life to create or support another Islamic theocracy.

Or allow them to slug it out in a civil war? Under our protection, Iraq created a constitution that made them an Islamic theocracy. They also voted in a government to carry it out. At least theoretically they have a democracy, but what they'll really have depends on who wins. If it's the Shiites they'll have a miniature Iran, tied to Iran. If it's the Sunnis they'll probably have another dictatorship. The Kurds, in any case, seem to have a working, peaceful separate area. In any case, Al Qaeda controls Anbar Province, and our generals don't think we can take it back. So, they now have what they lost in Afghanistan, but htis time they're actually governing the area.

I still think the thing to do is to get the three parties talking to each other and redeploy to the edge of Kurdistan. At that point it's up to them. They can slaughter each other or work something out. In either case, our troops are out of harm's way in a friendly part of Iraq, and they're close enough to the action to protect against foreign intervention.

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Well IMO our trying to convert them to a democratic way of life was a bad move and frankly non of our business, but now we have to live with our actions, and I am not sure what is the best way to do that. Again, I don't care how a country runs itself as long as it doesnt inhibit my way of life, which is why I think we need to mind our own business more and worry about our problems first. Perhaps Iraq were going to attempt to impact the US, but frankly I don't think I will ever know the true facts of why we went in, nor do I know if we made the right decision. All I know is I support our soldiers in all their actions, but not necessarily the politicians that decide those what those actions will be.

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Originally Posted by JLStorm

Well IMO our trying to convert them to a democratic way of life was a bad move and frankly none of our business, but now we have to live with our actions, and I am not sure what is the best way to do that. Again, I don't care how a country runs itself as long as it doesnt inhibit my way of life, which is why I think we need to mind our own business more and worry about our problems first. Perhaps Iraq were going to attempt to impact the US, but frankly I don't think I will ever know the true facts of why we went in, nor do I know if we made the right decision. All I know is I support our soldiers in all their actions, but not necessarily the politicians that decide those what those actions will be.

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Originally Posted by Sweeney Todd

Okay. Someone take his guns away :D

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LOL, funny they said that when I liked this movie scene..I don't get it :thinking: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jmKR6evZR...287FA9&index=1

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Originally Posted by JLStorm

Well IMO our trying to convert them to a democratic way of life was a bad move and frankly non of our business, but now we have to live with our actions, and I am not sure what is the best way to do that. Again, I don't care how a country runs itself as long as it doesnt inhibit my way of life, which is why I think we need to mind our own business more and worry about our problems first. Perhaps Iraq were going to attempt to impact the US, but frankly I don't think I will ever know the true facts of why we went in, nor do I know if we made the right decision. All I know is I support our soldiers in all their actions, but not necessarily the politicians that decide those what those actions will be.

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I agree totally.

It's amazing how against our interest it was to remove Saddam Hussien. With him there, we had a standoff with Iran, a standoff between dictatorship and theocracy. Thanks to us, Iran has become the power in the area, and their influence extends all the way to Hezbollah, which is Shiite. Plus, they can team up with Al Qaeda, which is also theocratic.

I say that if Saddam ever protests about the illegitimacy of his trail again, we should say "Hey, you're right. Here's your country back, and here are some WMDs to use against the Shiites."

Seriously, the best thing for us to do would be leave that area altogether (if it were possible), but then we an oil issue and the endangerment of Israel.

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Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

Me neither. And I'm also not willing to sacrafice any American life to create or support another Islamic theocracy.

Or allow them to slug it out in a civil war? Under our protection, Iraq created a constitution that made them an Islamic theocracy. They also voted in a government to carry it out. At least theoretically they have a democracy, but what they'll really have depends on who wins. If it's the Shiites they'll have a miniature Iran, tied to Iran. If it's the Sunnis they'll probably have another dictatorship. The Kurds, in any case, seem to have a working, peaceful separate area. In any case, Al Qaeda controls Anbar Province, and our generals don't think we can take it back. So, they now have what they lost in Afghanistan, but htis time they're actually governing the area.

I still think the thing to do is to get the three parties talking to each other and redeploy to the edge of Kurdistan. At that point it's up to them. They can slaughter each other or work something out. In either case, our troops are out of harm's way in a friendly part of Iraq, and they're close enough to the action to protect against foreign intervention.

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Now, that was a erudite and reasoned solution to an intractible problem. I like it. Too bad our politicians don't have enough nuts or common sense to go that route.

When we meddle in Middle Eastern affairs we
are sticking our heads into a centuries old
hornets nest. Will our politicians ever learn?
Not until their sons and daughters are dying
on the battlefield. And rest assured, this will
never happen.


Terry

Apropo to our original topic, I just read a news report that a 92 year old woman got killed in a shootout with plain clothes drug police in Atlanta.

It seems that they had a warrant and did everything right, but when they broke into her apartment she shot all of them, getting killed in the process.

Of course it was some kind of mistake.