Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

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Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Where do you get these pictures from LOL.
He does not share my views, but he respects my opinion (Thank god [because he has a gun lol]), and I his.
Oh my Fiance wanted to come to the UK but it was impractical at the time. Have you ever been to the UK?
My fiance lives in "tha hood", and I really like the neighbors. They are all very helpful. Yeah the guy next door is a drug dealer, and the mexicans out back play nice music late on a WEDNESDAY night ... but it's all good in tha hood lol

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Makes you feel safe to have the authorities around.

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Doesn't make me feel safe "having the authorities around". They screw up on a frighteningly regular basis being that they too are people.

I'm not quite ready to give up my man card and embrace the nanny state. I'm 60 years old. I've made it just fine through mud, blood, shyte, and flood WITHOUT "having the authorities up my rear end" every step of the way or turn of a corner.

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He does not share my views, but he respects my opinion (Thank god [because he has a gun lol]),

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Even in jest you show a fear of firearms and their owners.

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Yeah the guy next door is a drug dealer

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Great place to be a pacifist or a customer I guess. I can understand and appreciate why Dad has gun around.

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the mexicans out back play nice music late on a WEDNESDAY night

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http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...t/MEXMUSIC.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wullie

Doesn't make me feel safe "having the authorities around". They screw up on a frighteningly regular basis being that they too are people.

I'm not quite ready to give up my man card and embrace the nanny state. I'm 60 years old. I've made it just fine through mud, blood, shyte, and flood WITHOUT "having the authorities up my rear end" every step of the way or turn of a corner.



Even in jest you show a fear of firearms and their owners.


Great place to be a pacifist or a customer I guess. I can understand and appreciate why Dad has gun around.


http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...t/MEXMUSIC.jpg

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Haha once again ... nice pic.

I respect that you have lived a perfectly good life without a nanny state. I on the other hand, have lived my whole life under what you would call a nanny state, I suppose that means my man card disintegrated in the wash.
I suppose you could call it a form of propaganda, but I have always respected that the military and/or authorities would protect me if anything went wrong.
I have fear of firearms because in my world, they are only ever shown to have a negative impact on the world. I don't think I have ever read of a positive use for a gun, aside from hunting (this I can dig). I have had some bad things happen to me and always come out on top, granted the guys attacking never had a gun, and I did it using my limbs only. One time I had a knife in my pocket and I didn't even think to use it, I just used my hand to hand combat skills.

I actually discussed with my parents whether I should get a gun when I get my residency "just in case" to get their view, and she pointed out the events in my life where I have been attacked and been ok. I think this shows I do see a use for them whether or not I agree with it.

I read a bit about the police in the US messing up, but I can honestly say that is a rare occurance here. When they do screw up it's usually big, but rare.

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Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Tell it to Gandhi, he liberated a nation using non violent means "Non-voilent civil disobedience".
here is a quote from an even smarter man.
"A weak man is just by accident. A strong but non-violent man is unjust by accident."
Mahatma Gandhi

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If I remember right, he got the crap beat out of him too.

I'll pass on beatings.

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Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - science-in-society - 06 October 2009 - New Scientist
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It might if you are a gang member...

ROFL. One must always consider the source of information. Gang members who carry a gun, almost always illegally, were obviously his majority data points.

Here's one analyst's view on that study:

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The five people who authored this study, led by Charles C. Branas, PhD, Associate Professor of Epidemiology at Penn, have done exactly what Issac Asimov hated most. They took money from the Joyce Foundation, a notoriously generous funder of anti-gun studies, and they sold their skills, talents, education, training, experience, and morals to the Joyce Foundation to produce an anti-gun study, and in the process, they deliberately perverted their scientific work for monetary gain.

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Citation: Volokh: Criticism of "Guns Did Not Protect Those Who Possessed Them from Being Shot in an Assault”

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Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Haha once again ... nice pic.

I respect that you have lived a perfectly good life without a nanny state. I on the other hand, have lived my whole life under what you would call a nanny state, I suppose that means my man card disintegrated in the wash.
I suppose you could call it a form of propaganda, but I have always respected that the military and/or authorities would protect me if anything went wrong.

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I remember a animated program from the UK talking about a nuke attack. The people sat in that house and died waiting on "emergency services" to show up.

The reason you live in a nanny state is your government grabbed all the power it could during WWII in the name of winning the war, and it never let go.

This is the real danger of government. Once you lose your liberty to it, you will NEVER get it back.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

I'm just reading these arguments based on statistics. What a waste of time. Statistics can be made to say whatever you want and when one side can't find biased stats to "support" their view they just take a certain political party's playbook and just make things up and present them as stats to confuse the issue and put the other side on the defensive. Then you just present them over and over and they become true. So the real truth is meaningless out in the world.

But it's still an entertaining thread.

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

I remember a animated program from the UK talking about a nuke attack. The people sat in that house and died waiting on "emergency services" to show up.

The reason you live in a nanny state is your government grabbed all the power it could during WWII in the name of winning the war, and it never let go.

This is the real danger of government. Once you lose your liberty to it, you will NEVER get it back.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

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you are WRONG again. We can vote for parties that allow more "liberties" we just don't see the need.
I also don't see any invasions here? Temporary safety ... huh?

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I'm just reading these arguments based on statistics. What a waste of time. Statistics can be made to say whatever you want and when one side can't find biased stats to "support" their view they just take a certain political party's playbook and just make things up and present them as stats to confuse the issue and put the other side on the defensive. Then you just present them over and over and they become true. So the real truth is meaningless out in the world.

But it's still an entertaining thread.

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Being a health scholar, I find statistics EXTREMELY important. You need stats behind anything before you can really start to use the therapies, or ideas. I understand that sometimes stats can be misleading (or bull) but you have to have a way, other than plain heresay or opinion, of delineating YOUR truth. Others may disagree with you and it's for time to prove who was most accurate, but I find numbers important.

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Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Being a health scholar, I find statistics EXTREMELY important. You need stats behind anything before you can really start to use the therapies, or ideas. I understand that sometimes stats can be misleading (or bull) but you have to have a way, other than plain heresay or opinion, of delineating YOUR truth. Others may disagree with you and it's for time to prove who was most accurate, but I find numbers important.

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"British Teen Arrested Over Tweet To Olympic Diver" so tell me this you have no right to bear arms and no freedom of speech and your happy in this situation?