Apparently, the lunchtime favourite PB & J sandwich is verboten in one corner of Arkansas.
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich sparks controversy: Can we really ban nut products from schools? | Team Mom - Yahoo! Shine
Now, that's just un-American!!!
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Apparently, the lunchtime favourite PB & J sandwich is verboten in one corner of Arkansas.
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich sparks controversy: Can we really ban nut products from schools? | Team Mom - Yahoo! Shine
Now, that's just un-American!!!
Un-American indeed!
Unfortunately this is a nation wide thing mla. Pretty much if there is one kid with a peanut allergy in a school they will ban all nut products now.
Absolutely amazing. Things like this make me really wonder where we are going...
And on a related note:
John Robert Caravella, 5-Year-Old With Autism, Denied Lunch By School (VIDEO)
I know someone who carries injections with him because his allergy to peanuts is so bad. He can't fly on a plane that serves them. A good strong whiff of them starts a reaction. if he ate one he'd be dead in minutes. This is real serious stuff. People don't understand the issue. In most places you can't smoke in doors anymore and really in a school a kid is hostage and if the kid who ate before him smeared some peanut butter on the table and such a kid got it on him he's be on the way to the hospital.
Uhhh, no; the one kid isn't the hostage -- all the others ARE. The one with the allergy to peanuts HAS TO LEARN how to deal with it, NOT the other kids. HE carries it with him, and will continue to do so for the remainder of his life. As with all the other subjects in school, HE needs to learn about HIS problem, and not them. Sorry, but that's the same cock-eyed thinking that got school yard jungle-gyms torn down and playgrounds closed.
OTOH, his teachers and the school administration MUST KNOW about his peanut allergy, and MUST KNOW how to administer his injector. But that's as far as "in loco parentis" should go. Just my 2-cents.
What we WILL do is "accommodate" the child, i.e., provide him with an alternate place in which to eat his lunch... with teacher supervision, possibly with a few of his friends (who know and understand the peanut issue, as do their parents). ACCOMMODATE, but not more... not on the rights of ALL THE REST.
Actually the child is hostage to the illness. There is no doubt that the child and his parents are well educated on peanut allergy.
Peanut allergy has nothing to do with the lack of jungle gyms or playgrounds, my friend. You can always open a thread on Lack of Physical Fitness in our Public Schools; that might actually be an interesting, this is if you can keep the tone of it civil. :shrug:
Ummmm What I am hearing right now as I type this "Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich" is considered to be Racist in Portland OR
I swear.. Looking for links now
OMG it really is out there
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/whit...-connotations/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1874905.html
http://portlandtribune.com/pt-rss/9-...rum-for-equity
I believe things like universal bans on peanuts and products containing peanuts as well as the removal of jungle gyms from playgrounds has to do with the fear of lawsuits more than anything. Accidents no matter the level of seriousness spark lawsuits even when normal precautions are taken. Some people just don't understand that life is not 100% safe. Nobody wants to see a person injured but accidents do happen.
Bob
It was just on Fox, with O'Reilly.
If this is true then I must hold some rank in the Klan, I eat them all the time.
I like mine with Guava; just don't tell my Latin friends. :nono:
We're already there and it isn't pretty.
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I think I'll give my 2 cents, my daughter has a serious peanut allergy, also asthma, eczema, and is allergic to cats, she is 7 years old. We found out when she was 18 months old, her whole body was covered in hives, the whites of her eyes were red. Someone with a peanut allergy can basically drown in there own fluids, because the body over reacts. We go everywhere with an Epi-pen in fact 2, asthma inhaler, and benadryl, the alternative if we don't have these items when and if she is exposed, could be death. This is serious $%^*, no joke. Un-American? It's a public school. What if one of your kids had a handy cap and was in a wheel chair, you would expect ramps so your child had access like all the other kids, right? A physical body handy cap is easy to see, the food allergy is not, so most people just don't get it. If you think it's BS educate your self about food allergies, and then talk to me, because I've been dealing with people for the last 7yrs. who just don't get it. Also my Wife and me have been drilling it into her head that her epi-pen goes everywhere with her, and make it her responsibility. We make her think that nobody else is going to worry about it but her. You can't shelter them from the world but it sure is my responsibility to protect her. If it means no PBJ in school so be it. I use to think people with allergies just were wusses, I don't now, it's a real eye opener!
I agree with you life is not 100% safe, but I think you would be surprised at how wide spread food allergy's are, and that the end results could be death. Another way to look at this is your not going to hand a bunch of kids guns loaded are you? Well that bullet is pointed at my kid who has a peanut/tree nut allergy, get it?
Learning about a SERIOUS allergy will not make one less dead should one be exposed - however unwittingly - to the allergen.
Schools all over the place are going down this road. I have a number of allergies - a couple of which could potentially be fairly serious - but they are nothing compared to a serious peanut allergy. Thebigspendur was spot on. This is an allergy that can have potentially fatal results in an extremely short period of time. It goes beyond segregated lunches in this case. If another child has a PB&J sandwich at lunch, uses the kid with the allergy's pen, chews on it, then gives it back, it could kill. If the kid with PB&J wipes his mouth then touches the allergic kid's desk, it could kill. Etc., and so on. With peanut allergies, one does not have to ingest whole peanuts or peanut products. Residue from peanut oil, even the scent of peanuts can kill, and kill very quickly. Would you be willing to take that risk to make a point?
Allergies are - for whatever reason (and this is a whole other debate!) - appearing much more frequently and with much higher severity in our kids now than at any point in history. I ate PB at school all the time when I was a kid, but there's no way I would send my nephews to school with it these days. I for one do not think it is worth the risk of causing harm to a child at school just to stand up for my right to consume peanut products.
Goodness knows there are a lot of wacky policies implemented in places like schools for the most spurious of reasons. This one however has a solid foundation in a basic desire not to have kids die at school.
I know you don't want sympathy but I feel for your daughter. I hate that any kid has to go through life with such difficulties. However, to deprive a whole school of an item of food because of one seems over the top to me. I realize and appreciate the fact that you want the best for your daughter and I respect that. The world out there is pretty much a public place. Would you expect all of the world to give up its peanut butter and cats?
I recall a few years back, I was at a restaurant eating supper. That place had a BIG sign outside, and large sign on the door, and ashtrays at every table. The signs said smoking allowed and others said NO NON SMOKING AREA PROVIDED. I ate there quite often as it was a refuge for those of us that smoked. One evening, I finished my meal and fired one up only to be railed at by a very upset father of a young man about 2 or so years old. He was livid! He told me that his child was highly allergic to cigarette smoke and could go into convulsions and die. I quietly stubbed out my smoke and told the man, I had no intentions of ever hurting a child under any circumstances knowingly. I then went on to inform him that since the child had problems like that, just what in the HELL was he doing bringing the child into that place. I asked him if he could read or was he just trying to start a fight or make a scene. Seems he hadn't noticed all the warnings and blows my mind that he couldn't tell it was a smoking joint when he walked in.
He apologized and took his family elsewhere.
Wullie,
I think the point is the seriousness of the peanut allergy, itself.
I don't smoke , but I have never agreed with the general banning of smoking in establishments. If I walk into a place that I don't like the climate or service, I just go somewhere else.
I hate government restrictions as much as anyone, but I have no problem not sending the peanut butter sandwich to school.
So just to be clear. A child has an extreme allergy that could kill them. For somewhere between .4 and 1.5% of the population in a school, other kids can't have a lunch that was hastily scrounged together when the parents couldn't find or afford anything else! Would you see those kids go hungry because of one child who has a severe allergy? Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches have had a place in american society for over a century. Kids love peanut butter and it is an inexpensive and protein packed food!
Peanut butter sandwiches can be documented back before the turn of the 20th century! Sad to lose something with such historical significance.
My other side says, what are scientists doing to make peanuts so different that the allergy rate is steadily climbing? Or are the completely sterile environments in which we live, work, and play creating more sensitivity?
I'm not looking for any and I'm not being smart. My daughters school doesn't ban peanuts we didn't ask them to, and I see no reason to. She has her own table, and nobody sits at it who has peanuts, peanut butter, or any other nut product. When kids want to sit with her, the lunch attendant checks their lunch for nuts, and if they have none, they are allowed to sit with her, no problem. A restaurant has no limit to who or what comes in the door and I'm fine with that, I can choose to not take her, school I can't, she has to go. All we've asked the school for is a food nut free class room and that anyone that would be around her the majority of the time be trained on how to use an epi-pen. I don't think that's asking a lot it takes 5 sec. to learn how to use an epi-pen. Her's a thought - There's lots of stuff banned, controlled substances that would seriously hurt or kill us all, you don't find them in your food though do you?
Soon they will tell us what size soda we can drink............ Oh wait they done that allready!
Large-Size Sugary Drink Ban Passes In NYC, Opponents Vow A Fight - Forbes
This is reasonable. You are just asking for reasonable accommodations. I have students with different allergies that could cause anaphylaxis from peanuts, to milk, to bee stings, and even soy. We all have to watch a video on how to use an epi-pen every year, as well as refreshing our knowledge on dealing with blood borne pathogens, asthma, and the Heimlich maneuver! You never know when it will become necessary.
So 1 or 2 in 25? so that's saying to me every class room has some kid in it with some type of allergy or allergies, seems like a lot to me. And I don't know the last time you priced peanut butter, but it isn't cheap. And I'll agree with, it's the environment and I think I said it in an earlier post that we've been modifying food since the 40's - 50's so if your in your 50's or 60's your a first gen experiment, and your kids were next and so on....welcome to the result. This is just my opinion...
I was just reading and confirmed that number too..
The overall average size of Elementary schools in the US is 446 so the discussion about allergies concerns less then 6 students per school at the most...
The best guess for the advent of more allergies seems to be the Hygine Hypothisis right now, the cleaner a society is the more allergies it has...
Any way just some numbers
I can't find the article now, but I read a couple of years ago how the rise in peanut allergies might be related to the decrease in breast feeding. Not sure how true it is, but it certainly makes sense to me.:shrug:
I used to think the peanut ban in school was b#lls&!t. That is untill my son came home from school describeding a child in his class almost dying. It happend all because a classmate had peanut butter on their toast that morning and touched him in the afternoon. If it prevents harm to a child, I am more than willing to spend a few extra cents on my son's sandwich.
I don't know how widespread, but around here we have to send enough for two healthy meals/snacks (junk food is frowned upon) and they have two nutrition breaks instead of one lunch. The school board feels if they eat more often they will learn better.
I agree that any allergy of that type is a major deal. After reading a clarifying post, I think Trimmy's approach to his daughter's problem is prudent and I'm glad the school works with his daughter to see that her needs are met.
One of the many questions I have regarding the youth of today is WHY the massive outbreaks of asthma, hyper allergic reactions, autism, and cancers in children?
I'm 60 years old. I don't remember kids being sick in the numbers that are being reported these days.
What's changed? Where did we make a wrong turn?
Personally, I suspect food additives and the vaccines they are shoving off on us.
4 years ago it was verboten to give a pregnant woman flu vaccine. I heard on the radio today that EVERYBODY over the age of 6 months and in good health should GET THEIR FLU SHOT TODAY!!!
I'll pass on the flu shot and have a shot of tequila instead.
I suspect - and I'm not that kind of doctor - that there is no one single cause for the spike in allergies. All of the reasons frequently suggested seem plausible to me:
Reduced rates of breastfeeding: human physiology evolved for a heck of a long time on the understanding that we would start our lives with human milk as our primary food source. From it we gain not only nutritional value, but also antibodies, etc. It just makes sense to me that removing this from the equation could well have an effect on the development of one's immune system (amongst other things)
Overzealous hygeine: as we grow and our bodies encounter the things in the world around us, we learn how to deal with the 'stuff' that we encounter. As a result our immune systems learn and develop. Remove the little infections, etc., and you will surely compromise the body's ability to identify and deal with real threats
Environmental factors: we are all surrounded by stuff that simply didn't exist all that long ago. Phthlates and BPA are two examples we've heard a lot about recently. As Trimmy72 said, we are all exposed to all kinds of things with absolutely unknown long-term and cumulative effects. Could these effects include increased allergies? Again I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't bet against it.
I suspect that it is a result of a combination of these and other factors, and not a simple single cause.
this was from the article that started the thread I'm quoting "Over the span of a decade, reports of kids with peanut allergies have spiked by 18 percent, according to the CDC. Today, about 1 in 25 children suffer from the condition" I'm getting about 17 out of this if I use 446 as an avg. school size
there are many posts in this thread that I agree with but this one combines many.
Breast feeding got me in trouble when I was in a child rearing class that was required wen I had my daughter. I Compared breast feeding to my experience being raised on a farm. We kept frozen colostrum ready for any newborn that lost its mother. That transferred the antibodies to the newborn and greatly increased their chance of survival. When I brought that up I was almost banned from the classroom.
As far as hygiene goes i think that we need a little bit of things at a time. I liked to see my kids eat dirt and expose themselves a little bit at a time to all the bugs in the world. This leads to my thinking of the "perfect" sterilization" of our food source that many are now use to now a days. I was raised to and still preserve many of the things that I eat. They may not be perfect but it builds up our resistance so that when we catch a really "Bad" bug we have a chance. Our modern drugs a lot of the time not only kill the bad things. [bacteria}but also kill the good bacteria.
As far as allergies to peanuts or diabetes for example modern medicine is creating a whole new set of problems. Not long ago these people would die before they could pass those genes on to their offspring. This naturally solved the problem but we have interfered and stopped natural selection.
Tim