well the predictions are in folks and it looks like the currant president Barrack obama will be the good ole usa's leader for the next 4 yrs. nothing set completly officially but that will be done tomorrow
wats everones openion on his win.
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well the predictions are in folks and it looks like the currant president Barrack obama will be the good ole usa's leader for the next 4 yrs. nothing set completly officially but that will be done tomorrow
wats everones openion on his win.
As a business owner...I'm pretty sure everyone knows my opinion. There seems to be a very distinct line between who voted for which person based on their professions.
This is not a bad thing. It is what it is. I am hoping for a good recount.
Just go's to show that one mans vote (the popular vote) stands for sqawt.
I'm moving to Canada.
Its true. People vote for what benefits them directly, instead of voting for the greater societal good.
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Originally Posted by phoebeusfenix
sounds good to me, i just hope he buys us dinner before putting the screws to us for 4 yrs nothing towards obama its every politition romeny includedQuote:
Originally Posted by robellison01
ALL part of the plan.
That BS in Washington is nothing more than a dog and pony show to appease the masses that want to take time out from American Idol and Dancing With the Stars while expecting the GOVERNMENT to kiss their arses and give them more stuff.
Question is which is the lesser evil? The one you know or the one you do not know?Quote:
Originally Posted by sheffieldlover
You know... at one time I would have laughed my head off hearing a republican saying he wanted to move to Canada. But here lately, Canada is seemingly more right leaning than America! That's something, and not all that funny anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by robellison01
But seriously, I am kind of shocked at how decisively Obama won. All I hope is that Obama does what he said in his speech and reaches out to the "other side" to get what's best for America.
David --
"All I hope is that Obama does what he said in his speech and reaches out to the "'other side...'"
That's unlikely. The GOP went on record 4 years ago that their main purpose was to defeat Obama. I expect payback from the president.
Well not to be silly or anything lol... but isn't that every parties mandate? Besides two wrongs don't make a right - the popular vote isn't a big enough spread to allow anyone to be that cocky me thinks - well i would hope anyway :).Quote:
Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus
Maybe i am being childish in my hopes.
David, like it or not, Obama is the president now, and the GOP can do nothing about it. Time for the Republicans to bend over and take it like men!
As an outsider, and hearing the news as I drove home from work today, I thought this:
"Well, I like him, he seems like a nice man. But he's got to get out of everyone else's countries fix the health care system and look after the poor."
I can provide more details on request...
Carl
LOL - well Carl I usually love your weird insights but on this one... outsider or not, I don't think you are alone in your thinking lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider
Yes, but do you want the DETAILS?
Oh man... this is a trap isn't it! Ok lol, I'll play - details Carl! I need da tails!Quote:
Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider
Nooo, you don't, you really don't. Do you?: rofl2:
I don't know, when I looked at the various pols as well as the partisan outlets like foxnews over the past week, it seemed to me that he had a good advantage. Of course, Romney had a real chance at winning as well, but all the arguments for 'romney ahead' or even 'romney landslide' appeared to be largely contorted and based on more ideology than science.Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
I don't think he has much choice with the upcoming 'fiscal cliff'. I think he has 'won' a mandate to 'expire the bush tax cuts on the rich' but that's not much money. He'll have to get a compromise worked out with the republicans, though whether/how many go along would depend on, as one pundit put it, 'if they fear primary or general election challenge'. As sad as it may be, the vast majority of politicians put their own job first and that hasn't changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by earcutter
I have the impression that it was a lot closer for a lot longer than last election.
Contrary to the previous election, I noticed only 2 significant gaffes.
During the campaign, Romney lost moderate voters with his super rich attitude. The leaked video did damage, but also more innocent things like his remark about just moving to another house during the storm. With millions of Americans dirt poor and not being able to afford a house, let alone healthcare, that is not a smart move.
The Republican party also cost him a lot of women voters this time, with several high profile members saying such things as 'If a child is born from rape, then that was God's plan' or 'Abortion is not necessary because a women's body has ways of dealing with rape'. You can argue that Romney and Ryan didn't say those things. However, if the Republican party does not slap down or kick out the high profile morons who say such things, then those quotes reflect directly on the party, and thus on the Republican candidates.
Had Romney shown more understanding of the actual problems of average families, and had the Republican party not embarassed themselves, I feel it would have been really, really close this time.
I am just glad I am on vacation this week so I don't have to hear every person I pass tell me, "Can you believe it?" and "what is this country coming to?" ...
(completely monotone) hurray for Obama, boo the other guys, god bless america
Looking back, Romney was consistently lagging in the polls. The first problem was that he has spent his life being moderate, but running in a highly ideological primary he had to reinvent himself as 'severe conservative'. I don't think the far right ever bought it, but he steamrolled over them with huge amounts of money, so at the end of the day they had to grudgingly accept him.
He had always polled as having best chances against Obama, so the Obama campaign had long expected that race and were preparing for well over a year. And that campaign is as skillful as Karl Rove's ones (4 years ago they beat the Clinton machine, then the republicans). So, as soon as the primaries were over, they spent huge amounts of money to 'define' Romney as an out of touch plutocrat facing virtually no pushback. The whole tax return thing was ridiculous - I always thought Romney should just release them and take whatever temporary hit from low tax rates and offshore accounts, just so that it could be put behind.
The first time Romney looked viable was after that first debate when he reversed back to moderate talk. Interestingly, the conservative base suddenly got all fired up by the taste of victory, so I think Romney played that part brilliantly. He really had to deal with a pretty tricky situation - he had to be moderate to pick enough votes from the center, and at the same time keep the hyper ideological base enthusiastic.
He even managed to get the evangelicals to burry the hatchet and line up behind somebody whose religion they had labeled a cult (apparently not anymore).
I think even though he ended up a tad short, he still did amazingly well. No candidate is perfect, and he just isn't good at connecting with voters which couldn't change, but my thinking is that had he not left the Obama campaign to write the narrative for so long at the beginning he would've pulled it out. Everybody makes gaffes, the ones that have an effect tend to be the ones that 'fit' the larger narrative.
But again, after the first debate he got a pretty good bump, so if the economy didn't show good signs that may have been enough. After all that was the central premise of the Romney campaign - the economy is getting worse and worse due to Obama, hence he had to go.
:shrug:
At least this time around Oboma has the senate on his side so he can make the changes.
You cannot understand what you don't know. He comes from a very wealthy family so he has no clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
The main focus of this election was the middle class. For me it was a matter of who was going to take less from my pocket. We need a new political party in the country. I have a good name and philosophy. We'll call it:
REASONABLE.......Philosophy..." If it is reasonable, we will do it."
The problem today is both parties are so busy fighting across the isle, the business of the people never gets done.
That is all.
"""Had Romney shown more understanding of the actual problems of average families, and had the Republican party not embarassed themselves, I feel it would have been really, really close this time."""
I've been registered as a Republican for 44 years. Sadly I believe that your statement is correct ..But.. More sadly I feel that the leadership and the majority of the people that voted Republican yesterday don't feel that the ideas voice by Romney and the other candidates Were Wrong! You have a major section of this Country that now think that way.
Look at Greece... Thaat"'s how I will feel in about four more years..
I think that shows an enormous lack of understanding and empathy for the people of Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wintchase
There is absolutely no way on earth US citizens will feel like that, ever.
I've honestly never been as apethetic as I've been with this election. Neither candidate really wowed me and I still see no bipartisanship in the near future. My only hope is that the duds the major parties keep pushing on us will lead to the emergance of a viable third party that actually cares for the American people beyond the election cycle.
I don't really think that we'll ever see that happen. Big Money has such a control on the Institutions (social and political) that change will be only what "they" want.
Were screwed!
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Two words: BOHICA again
I am moving to Germany. My name is Parker Skouson and I approve this message...
Haha just kidding guys! Wouldn't go that far.. But, what I do know.. No chance of me getting a job when I turn 16, and no (decent) health care anymore....
And also! If it is ever the time to stock up of foods, guns, and water... Now is the time.
Not that i'm interested on who is your president there, but my sincere congratulations to mr. Obama of course.
I'm not surprised at all. There are several US citizen living in my home city. They are either studying, working or then just married here. Recently many were interviewed in the local newspaper about the elections. They seemed to be for mr. Obama, mr. Romney didn't get a single vote.
I think you might find Germany to be more liberal than Obama.
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Originally Posted by parkerskouson
Exactly why I said I would never go to that extreme:D I don't think there are many countries left that are less Liberal than ours today.
Parker, take a deep breath. If Romney had won, you'd still have to go to school tomorrow. Now exhale!
I absolutely love reading and hearing all of the post-election doomsday rhetoric every four years from both sides. In my near 35 years, I've yet to see the end of the world or even the end of America. I'm certain it won't happen this time either.:)
Regardless of the outcome, we are truly blessed that we have the right, and have exercised our right to freely elect the leader of our great nation. One thing i think most of America agrees on is that we are utterly sick and tired of the rigid ideology, partisan bickering, and brinksmanship style of governing our politicians have devolved to. Statesmanship and the art of compromise have been sorely lacking on Capitol Hill and we the people deserve a functional government that can move forward and solve critical problems like the fiscal cliff together. Hopefully our politicians will get a clue and sense the mood of the nation this time around.
Parker, you can always be a good little Republican and start your own sand-shoveling business out there in Lost Wages! :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerskouson
You mean to tell me that there's not a single McDonald's in all of Nevada?
No matter who won yesterday's election, I'm still retired, and will remain so. Every day is still Saturday for me. I still have to let my dog out first thing in the morning. I still have to pay my bills. I still put my pants on the same way. And SRP is still here!