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Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

BobH --
To try and answer your question, it's because unions traditionally support the Democratic Party. This move in Michigan is merely one step in the GOP's plan to eliminate financial support for the Democratic Party. Next, I'm guessing they'll attempt to outlaw public employee unions (teachers, nurses, etc.) and possibly attempt to lower the minimum wage.

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Sounds like what we are headed for here in Kanuckistan with the thinly veiled teabagger er ah I mean Conservative party in power. Nothing new under the sun. I guess the plunge isn't over then eh?

Bob

Bob, I'm afraid not.
Maybe I oughtta head south of this border, too! Anybody wanna teach me to habla?

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

This sounds like a direct quote from Karl Marx.

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LOL - sounds like manna from heaven to a lobby group seeking to have everyone pay for private insurance or say a uh, union fee's to me - all brought on by the will of the people no less LOL! Sometimes greed and capitalism thrive in the least likely places!

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Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

I KNEW it! You're a Red-baiter!!!

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Oh please MLA! :)

But if you want - I'll sell you a manifesto cheap :)!

No thanks, David. I had to read his econ theory 2xs in college...YAWWWWWWWWN!

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Originally Posted by DaveW

Multiemployer plans get coverage for 100% of the first $11 per year of service per month and 75% of the next $33 per year of service per month. They also pay much lower premiums to the PBGC. However, the bakers are likely part of a fund that involves a lot of other employers, and what really would happen, in theory, in a termination (which is extremely rare for multiemployer plans) is that the fund would have less money than *all* of the accrued benefits but more money than the guaranteed benefits (the monthly comment above), so participants in general will get something between full accrued benefits and the guaranteed amounts.

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This is depressing. I dug out an old statement that is about 2 years old. As of then the theoretical minimum payment I can receive which is 10 years of payments is 3.46 times the amount I contributed. With that option if I drop over dead 6 months after retirement my wife can still get it for 9.5 years. That is not a very good return for all the years that they have held my money. [Although I admit it is "guaranteed".] By DaveW's numbers concerning the PBGC all I would get is .83 percent.

Similar to Social Security I tend to ignore it as it is out of my control and the rules will change so much by the time I retire I can't plan on any of it.

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Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

No thanks, David. I had to read his econ theory 2xs in college...YAWWWWWWWWN!

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Really! At least the actual manifesto is short, so I don't know what you are complaining about lol! Try Hobbs and Smith... arg. Hey wait! What pinko school did you go to?

I've heard of manifestos before. I think I have a roll of them hanging in the bathroom. Just can't recall if they are right or left ones.

Bob

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Originally Posted by earcutter

Really! At least the actual manifesto is short, so I don't know what you are complaining about lol! Try Hobbs and Smith... arg. Hey wait! What pinko school did you go to?

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I've read Hobbes...and Locke, Smith, Hegel, Plato, Aristotle, Hamilton, Jefferson, Monroe, Madison, Aeschylus, Meade, Watson, Skinner, Piaget, Vygotsky, Margres, Wundt, Freud, Jung, Bronfenbrenner, Kohlberg, Tregaskis, Pyle, Shirer, Morrison, Prange, and a host of others. Glad I don't have to suffer through some of that again!

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Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

I've read Hobbes...and Locke, Smith, Hegel, Plato, Aristotle, Hamilton, Jefferson, Monroe, Madison, Aeschylus, Meade, Watson, Skinner, Piaget, Vygotsky, Margres, Wundt, Freud, Jung, Bronfenbrenner, Kohlberg, Tregaskis, Pyle, Shirer, Morrison, Prange, and a host of others. Glad I don't have to suffer through some of that again!

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Awe dude... I AM sorry.

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

Don't you know?

Harry Reid says paying income taxes is voluntary.

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I admit I don't know. Please explain.