Just came home from a great karate camp in Denmark. A weekend with Kumite and Kata along with 80 other karate practioners. I've been training Wado Rye with my two daughters for 3 years.
I woundered if any other are training karate?
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Just came home from a great karate camp in Denmark. A weekend with Kumite and Kata along with 80 other karate practioners. I've been training Wado Rye with my two daughters for 3 years.
I woundered if any other are training karate?
Wondered...
Not Karate but I started doing MMA for fitness purposes.
Bruno is a karate guy. Black belt if not way more.
Glen is a Karate Guy,I think heavy into it at one time.
It's been a while for karate but 3rd degree in Isshin Ryu and a purple in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
I think Glen & Bruno do other martial arts than Karate ?
Ju Jutsu myself.
Kristian,
change the criteria from Karate to Martial Arts in general & I am sure there is a lot more who practice 1 form or another
I have tried several over the years depending on where I lived/worked & what was available there.
International Tae Kwon Do in WA - 6 months
Rhee Kwon Do in NSW - 5 months,
Calliope Martial Arts “CMA” in Gladstone Qld 2 years until our Sensei Anthony McTigh succumb to the effects of Agent Orange & committed suicide - (CMA was a local small freestyle club with traditional roots in Gōjū Kai, Aikido, Ninjitsu & Jujitsu, Our was one of the Original Gōjū Kai henchmen of Australia with Bob Janes, Malcolm Anderson & Richard Norton prior to the starting of Zen do Kai )
Wing Chun & Maui Thai in Mackay QLD training under Stephan Fox (World Muaythai Council) – 5 months
Zen Chi Ryu which became Zen9 - in Gladstone Qld 18 months this was a small freestyle club with traditional roots in Zen do Kai, Brazilian Jujitsu (BJJ) & Kung Fu - “Shihan” Peter Reilly recently passed away from Cancer so the club was closed.
I have always personally preferred the less traditional freestyle systems, where the shortest or most direct action from a mulitude of styles is used to minimise your exposure to a threat.
I believe all kids should have & benefit from some form of Martial Arts experience to learn the discipline & self-control that come with practicing them.
Attachment 183001Am a 6th degree kinda Guy,come at me with your Karate Crap and you wil get a .357 mag between your eyes:)
Traditional TKD and Hapkido here. Love to hear anything about the camp, or experiences in any art.
JKA Shotokan Karate - had a very traditional Japanese Sensei, I enjoyed the philosophical teachings, the mindfulness / Zen aspect as much as the physical training part. Never really studied it to learn self-defense, studied it because I figured it was a great way to get fit while learning something at the same time.
Enjoyed the many visits from Japan from Sensei Tanaka and his students, and enjoyed the fun of learning and sharing in a great art with others, much like this forum.
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Originally Posted by pixelfixed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I_Ds2ytz4o
I guess you have to not let anyone get to close to you then...mind you, I'd have just peed myself.;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rMBUtTFQc0
So which one is the martial artist in the video Jimmy ? ;)
Dang those wild, gun carrying Californians,,,,, :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
looks like it is striaght out of a krav maga training seminar
I love the clip from Indy :-) in Denmark we don't have guns... Even the police don't use them so martial art is more effective. I just think it's fun. And karate and sharp razors goes really good together:-)
Like tiny swords. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristian
If self defense is your main goal; I would suggest mma. This may start a riot but traditional martial arts are not practical in a real fight (some exclusions) I love Bas Rutten's story of how some traditional artists visited his gym only to naysay everything out of his mouth. At one point he had someone in a rear naked choke and the die hard ninjas said they would gouge his eyes in that position rendering him blind. Bas said "Ok come over here let me put you in the choke and you try that out, but if you even go for my eyes I'll snap your neck. Don't ever screw with someone in a dominant position like that"
MMA is a product born from what many call "Traditional Martial Arts" ; this is a term that is often used to dilute or depreciate the value of fighting systems that have benefited mankind for thousands of years.
I enjoy the teachings of Bas Rutten, so I won't make this a post to contradict him.
The instructor, of any fighting system, makes all the difference in the world. The instructors knowledge & his ability to transfer the same to his students means everything.
Most all top level MMA fighters & their clubs seek out the knowledge of instructors/sensei's of "Traditional Martial Arts" , to help establish a system of fighting that will bring them success.
Last, a student must want to learn & have the right motivations to do so. A dedicated student trained by a skilled instructor, makes for a formidable opponent regardless of his "Art".
Did some knives and guns Krav Maga today, you'd think those things are staged on the vids, but the gun goes out of your hands just like that and before you know it you are one ground with broken elbow or shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Substance
Basically MMA is a sport, combining some elements of several sports. I do not see any depreciation of the traditional fighting systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hirlau
Self defense is a bit different animal. You have to be fast hit hard and run away if possible.
In one on one situation wrestling and jujitsu knowledge will be handy. If you are fighting more than one at the same time, you will get knocked out if you tangle with one of them, because the other guy will not sit and wait his turn like in the movies.
You misunderstood what I was saying or I did not explain it well enough. I could have choosen the word "sport" for MMA , but choose the word "product" for a reason; as it does combine elements of several arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
When I stated that "this is a term that is often used to dilute or depreciate the value of fighting systems that have benefited mankind for thousands of years. " , this was in context with what aa1192 had to say.
MMA does nothing to depreciate the other arts, it cannot, the other arts are solid in their own standings, as they have been for years.
What I was referring to is the countless times I have encountered parents of my students & others outside the dojo that have been told this misinformation about the "Traditional Arts", usually from people who should know better, trying to recruit new students or sell a product.
I started wrestling in high school, was very successful,,, at 18 years, I entered the military & spent 9 months researching the arts & choose Judo at age 19. I had a successful career competing until 1997,,, then I concentrated on instructing, mainly children. Throughout those years our club was most successful in staffing many US Olympic Judo teams. When not teaching judo, I traveled, courtesy of my employer, to learn techniques from instructors of other arts, to establish a system that could be taught to police officers in South Florida. It was successful for a couple of years.
Nothing to do with traditional vs non traditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by aa1192
The guy in the choke simply had no clue if he thought that attack = defence.
If someone is allowed to put you into such a situation you must first protect your windpipe, neck etc, have your balance & steal your attackers balance. If the guy is falling over or chasing a moving target he cannot apply any leverage to you. You can only counter attack if in a positive polarity not when some guy is about to snap your neck :roflmao
I Am a 6th degree kinda Guy,come at me with your Karate Crap and you wil get a .357 mag between your eyes:)
MMA for me and if that don't do it Colt Combat Elite 185gr Silvertip will!!
As my old man used to say, "I'd rather hear them say God can he run, than don't he look natural." :rolleyes:
Like I said there are exceptions and judo would be one I consider along with a few others but most "generic" martial arts won't work as a stand alone especially in this day and age. Knowing some BJJ when I was a kid made you invincible now not so much. Don't believe me watch UFC one which had almost no rules and most guys specializing in one specific thing; usually a stand up game.
They will be saying of me, "Lord if he would have just run twice a week, we wouldn't be here today. Did he leave a will?" :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
I started with karate in 1979. Did that for about 8 years. Now kung fu for 24 years.
I understand what you are saying,,,,understand, I was not trying to sell Judo or promote it over any other art.Quote:
Originally Posted by aa1192
What do you consider a "generic" martial art?
I Agee with Hirlau. I train Wada Rye Karate, with my two girls. I have one that's 13 and one that is 10 years old.
Wado style karate is very close to sports karate and is much more fighting then kata.
We started karate training because my oldest daughter was assaulted my two buys. If anyone tried that today, they'll break their bones in the process.
She is very fast, and talented. We haven't gone to a tournament without medals yet.
Watching her fight is great, she change her fighting techniques all the time and is clearly an offensive fighter.
Today we still train in a dojo where we can train together. It's really fun and it has become a lifestyle. We train 3-4 times a week for two hours. I see the confidence both my kids have and I know that they can look after themselves no matter what.
Recently one of the great masters of Wado came to visit Denmark from USA. His name is Bob Nash. I believe he have 7" Dan. He is a great teacher.
Anyway I can't see anything bad about martial art. Properly trained, the kids learn confidence and self defence. Even my youngest is pretty tough. She broke three of my ribs in a training fight last year. ;-)
Interesting, whereas you get someone like myself, and my old Sensei, who believes you can learn Karate-Do learning two of the the K's, Kihon, Kata, and Kumite. He always said you could learn with Kata and Kihon, but never with Kumite and something else. He also believed a fight was won or lost in the gym, your personal fitness level was vital.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristian
While some "set piece" training (self defense, you get grabbed..do this.etc.,) was given, he felt Kumite (fighting) could never truly be reproduced, you could not substitute a scenario for a real encounter, and scenario's were ultimately dangerous. We didn't do any real free form sparring to the much higher kyu's, but learned the one step and three step kumite practice, which was a fascinating thing to study, especially during summer camp in Ottawa, every summer for 5 years, when Sensei Tanaka, head of the JKA came over with his students, very nice man, loved golf and Crown Royal! :D
Ultimately, I think anything that can provide a fit body and a fit mind, with the added benefit of maybe providing some knowledge on self-defense is a good thing. For my two kids, who both quit after 6th kyu, it was something we could all do together, they learned some basics, gained confidence and built some character facing some exercises they'd never encountered before, and mainly, enjoyed themselves.
What age would you gentleman suggest children be started in martial arts? My twins are three years old now and My wife and I have been discussing getting them enrolled sometime in the next few years. My wife is a big proponent of martial arts and had earned her brown belt back when she was in highschool. I have never had any instruction in martial arts but fully beleive in the many benefits.
Matt,
Take your children to watch classes after they hit 6-8 and see what they think,
Make SURE you and the wife go and watch the classes several different times to see what is really going on and who is teaching the Kids
In mixed age classes many times the Kids are left to be taught one on one with lower belts, or a newer "Black Belt" see how often the actual Head Instructor is interacting with the kids
Some styles/schools have special Kid Classes that are very good, also there is a National "Kid Safe" program to look into for a starter
You are more then welcome to call me if you have more questions
I think that the age may vary a little upon the art you choose. I can only speak from my side of the house. We tried to stay away from any child under 6 years. Attention span & class control mean a lot,, take your eyes off a group of 5 year olds for just a minute & they will create their own art,,,, & have half the class participating.
We like to get them between the ages of 6 & 10,,, the main reason for this is they (the children) have yet to develop that protective sense of "space". Lets see if I can explain this right,,,, younger children interact differently when placed together in close contact with each other , such as grappling, throwing. They don't mind the close contact required in the art , as much as a 12 or 14 year old, who is starting to develop their Independence more, their "space" as I call it,,,, not that a 12 year old cannot learn well, its just easier with the younger ones.
Picking the right sensei is most important. Go visit the dojo, watch, ask questions of the other parents. Check the background of the sensei & the history of the club/dojo.
But first, you, the parent, must committ to your child's instruction. In all my time I only had 1 child quit,,, the rest of the times, the parents quit on me. Money problems, you would think, would be the # 1 issue, but no, its not. ,,,, Divorce, split custody, moving to another town, parents work schedule changes,, baseball season is here & little Johnny wants to try his hand at that,,etc. ,,,,
There are sensei's that are members here, I'm sure they can give you some good advice on how their system works.
I was wondering when you were going to jump into the thread Glen,,,,:D
Definitely not this school: Item # 1101-1816 Knife Show (Katana Break) - YouTube
As for me, Aikido in the Yoshinkan style brought me to the sword. That brought me to blades and then to steel. So many miles in between.
Matt,
Not sure if you remember Cy from the Seattle meet, he is more active on FB then here, but he is very plugged into the MA community over by you and would be a good source of Dojo info when you get closer...
I totally agree with gssixgun. We only takes students that are 7. It's also a safety precaution. They have to learn to pay attention while instructed. If they don't, they might get hurt.
Wado is also based on kata, kumite systems like the other styles karate. But our katas are more simple and kumite like, then other styles of karate.
That's what I meant.
Check this little video from our camp :-)
http://replayapp.com/v/eG30hW3ukz/
