Seems a sniper with JTF2 in Iraq is a new record holder. Took out a bad guy at 3540 meters/3871 yards/2.2 miles. Phenomenal shooting to say the least.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle35415651/
Bob
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Seems a sniper with JTF2 in Iraq is a new record holder. Took out a bad guy at 3540 meters/3871 yards/2.2 miles. Phenomenal shooting to say the least.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle35415651/
Bob
man it aint safe non where
Brings new meaning to the advertising phrase "reach out and touch someone".Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrideshd
Bob
Incredible feat of marksmanship, just under 10 seconds for the round to connect, how they can predict the arc, winds, just fascinating, but I'm sure not to fascinating for the guy on the other end...blinked and was surrounded by his ancestors.....at 3, 400 meters away, that pretty much a 2 mile shot...wow.
There was a time I had a fancy rifle and was shooting stuff at 1000m. The rifle was built for that kind of stuff, and it was not easy. Probably 30 years ago. The eyes were better and I shot a lot back then. More than triple that is over the top skills and the perfect everything. I am amazed.
Yes, anyone who has shot 1000 meter/yard rifle matches back then can really begin to grasp just how incredible that shot is. If anyone had told back then the shot was possible I'd have called BS. Still shaking my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog
Bob
Amazing skills. Hard to believe it's even possible.
I agree, just the thought of it taking 10 seconds for the round to reach it's target :dropjaw:
The 7.62 NATO round took about 2 seconds to travel 1000 yards iirc. Considering the record distance is about 3.5x as far away, I'd say the bullet was hustling along well as it would have been shedding even more velocity down range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dieseld
Makes you wonder if there is not another unknown factor at play considering the new record beats all others by about 1000 meters. Why the quantum leap all of a sudden?
Bob
Wel this weapon used the 50 BMG which if I'm not mistaken travels at 880 +/- yds/sec which is actually pretty fast for the size of the round.
I think the only other factor would be a great sniper and his spotter who gave him all the right distances and adjustments for such an epic shot.
I'd dare to say the wind was coming from behind them though. I've done some distance shooting as well, and windage, especially at that distance, is a make it or break it for sure.
Either way, what a team and what a shot
Incredible shooting
More importantly, the fear of that shooter, operating in that area, will keep heads down for some time
The 7.62 NATO round we shot in 1000 yard matches was the standard issue for infantry. That handicapped everyone equally as compared to using custom loads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dieseld
The modern sniping rounds for both the 7.62 and 50 BMG are hotter than the standard issue rounds from what I have read. That only marginally compensates for all the variables that would have to be taken into account for a 3540 meter shot.
Yes, either way, what a team and what a shot for sure.
Bob
Having shot 1000m comp back in the early 90's (and recently got BACK into mid-long range benchrest), I am utter amazed at shots like this. I done some quick and dirty math on this. I say dirty, because, of course I have no idea of the ammo/gun specs. or conditions at this unknown location in Iraq.
But using typical McMillan TAC-50 specs, Hornady A-max 750 grainer's, the average temp, humidity and pressure for last month in Baghdad. Using a 300yrd zero (which is probably a few hunderd off for their typical 0...although, I have NO idea. So I just threw in 300yrd zero).
Not to mention the bullet went subsonic approx 1000yrds prior to it's intended target.
But consider the 'hold-over' required? It's a tad over 470'. That is on level ground. The article read "...from an elevated position...", but I just threw level on the calc.
That's 470+ FEET...not inches!:dropjaw::dropjaw::dropjaw::dropjaw:
Well done Canada!! I bet there are a few sheep that are breathing a sigh of relief..
Ballistics today are simply amazing as well as how we understand shooting in general. I just saw a show that was telling how the Marine Corp snipers are training to shoot through 3/4 in holes so they can hide at the farthest corner in a room or what ever and still make accurate shots! These men are amazing and I can not even begin to understand the math they come up with off the top of their head to calculate shots. A truly amazing feat. Plus even at that distance I can not imagine how devastating the 50 bmg round would be.
Sort of a mini mortar. Plunging fire at it's best.Quote:
Originally Posted by AcesandEights
Bob
I wonder how far off the trajectory of the old Lee Enfield volley sights that is? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Those were quite the gizmos. Would be interesting to use a rifle fitted with those just to see how well they would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangooner
Bob
:gwh: Couldn't have happened to a nicer fella :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Fantastic shooting.
I hope that one shot has all the bad guys shaking in their boots just knowing that they may, at any time, be dropping like flies.
Pete <:-}
I used to be a crack shot with my Weatherby .257 magnum, but that distance seems impossible, almost hard to believe. Not saying it didn't happen, but my God, I can't even wrap my head around the 1 mile shots you occasionally hear about.
So is it true that some snipers now use the .338 Lapua over the .50 BMG? I hear it too is capable of astonishing accuracy and ballistics at long range.
Yea, I have shot 1000 yard rifle matches and can't wrap my head around this shot either. The 5 record shots below this new one were in the 2500 to 2700 yard range. Those are even hard to imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoutHikerDad
Yes, some forces are using the 338 Lapua as a sniping round. Some guys have been using that round in our area since about the mid 1980s for moose hunting. The round has been around a long while and was originally designed as a sniping round. A buddy has a Sako or Tikka rifle, can't remember which, bought back then and fitted with a muzzle break. Nice shooter off the bench with the break on and a good way to clear the firing of other shooters from the noise it makes with the break on. ;)
Bob
yes an amazing shot to say the least, just to get in the vicinity of the target. but I remember what Chris Kyle said about his 2000 meter plus shot, he admitted a lot of luck on it with some calculated guesses. his only intent was to scare the guy if possible to take his attention off his fellow men. yet he nailed him dead on. when your good , your good, but luck is good too! I guess this is why I carried a shotgun most of the time Tc
I could make that shot with my Lyman's Great Plains Rifle.
Of course, I'd need to hire an Uber for the first 3750 yards of the shot.
No doubt that luck contributed to that shot, but the team's skill made that luck happen.
I really didn't want to show this, but last month one of TC's family members sent me a home video of TC target practicing. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrideshd
Sorry TC,,,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c43ZwANJr8w
Forgiven him FATHER for his knows not what he does. Attachment 266700Quote:
Originally Posted by Hirlau
That was a great scene, and a reminder that you always should use the right tool for the job.
If you include this new sniping record, three out of the top 5 records are held by Canadians from a very polite country.
Bob
Absolute incredible shot - one less bad guy in the world. It seems funny that the Brits and the Canadians keep trading places for the longest shot. All of these shots have been made with the 50 BMG which makes you wonder why our soldiers are not using the 50 cal instead of the smaller rifle calibers? Either we are getting the shots at shorter ranges that are not making the news or we are just using our snipers as forward observers.
Not all the record shots in the top 5 were made with the 50 BMG round. The former top record holder, British, used the 338 Lapua round. I would not underestimate the 338 Lapua round as it was developed in the early 1980s specifically as a sniping round. The US is employing the 50 BMG round too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnatus
Keep in mind that these record shots are only the officially recognized/admitted to ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longes...d_sniper_kills
Bob
I just saw that in another article. It would seem like there is a little international competition going on and each country would want bragging rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Either way this was a great shot and glad they are taking these guys out!
Naw, no competition. I think 3 out of 5 proves who produce the best shooters. :angel:;) Yea, I know that was very un Kanuckistani of me. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnatus
Bob
With an American made 50 cal.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Props to all these guys. At this point I don't care who is taking the bad guys out. As a former Marine my hat is off to anyone that helps keep the world safe.
Just visited the Citadel in Quebec City two weeks ago - home of the 22nd Regiment - and then saw them at the Formula 1 race in Montreal with one of the armored personnel carriers. They were doing a little recruiting and thanked each one for their service.
Well, someone has to show the way to use the 50 BMG. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnatus
Yea, the Van Doos are a good bunch of guys to have in your corner.
Hope you enjoyed Quebec City as well as the Formula 1 race.
Bob
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Originally Posted by BobH
Old School 50 cal. Sniper - Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Norman Hathcock, United States Marines
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Hathcock once rigged an optic to an M2 machine gun and used it to record a confirmed kill at 2,500 yd, which is still the 5th longest confirmed sniper kill in history. Hathcock amassed 93 confirmed kills during the Vietnam War.
All in the days before windage computers and lasers.
Yes, his record stood for a very long time relative to today's time frames for records being set and broken. He did point the way to the future of sniping using the 50 BMG round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnatus
Thanks to American manufacturers like Barrett and McMillan who have made far more refined weapons for 50 BMG sniping we now have far better tools of the trade. Then there is the refinement of the cartridge itself loaded specifically for sniping and not for general BMG use.
Even with the best weapons, ammunition and training the opportunity to put into practice those skills must present itself to the sniping team. Even then there is also the luck factor in the mix to be able to get a confirmed record shot.
I think we Canadians have been very fortunate to have well trained sniper teams, with top notch equipment and ammo, presented with these opportunities to set record shots. They were able to use all that, plus had luck, to get it all together more frequently than others may have been.
Personally, I do not think any one country holds a lock on shooting prowess. Even the best shooters cannot exploit a situation if it is not presented to them. Even if presented only the very best, with a bit of luck, can take advantage of it.
Considering the size of our population and hence the small size of our military there is a very limited pool to draw talent from. Under those condition the Canadian Army, I think, has done a terrific job of being able to field these outstanding sniping teams.
Bob
My congratulations to the Canadian Sniper on an outstanding shot! :bow: My cousin was a sniper while in the Corp and we were talking about the advances in the weaponry and he said there were such fantastic improvements in everything involved, the weapon the propellants Everything.
I not posting this link to in anyway take anything away from the fantastic Canadian Snipers, in fact I want you to only watch starting at about 5:30 minutes as it will show what just one of those above mentioned improvements in weaponry is. What a Round to have at your side!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSBE7AJubQ0
Yes - considering the size of the Canadian military which totals 146,000 for reserves and active duty drawing from a pool of 13 million eligible people.
Put in perspective the state of Ohio has 574,000 active concealed carry permit holders and over 800,000 veterans out of a population of 11 million total people.
Can't argue those stats. I just wonder what having concealed weapons permits has to do with sniping. In Canada it is virtually impossible for a citizen to get approval for a concealed carry permit anyway. You can apply under certain circumstances for one but I wouldn't hold my hand over my backside waiting for approval to be granted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnatus
I don't think Canadians in general consider a career in the military a first choice option when looking for employment. That makes it even harder to get suitable personnel recruited on a voluntary basis.
A different country with a different mind set that on a few occasions can punch above weight given all the conditions that go against our military being able to that.
Bob
