How many people CCW here?

I agree. It looks like a great pistol. I like a lot of things H&K does. The P90 is revolutionary. I like the ideas behind it's many innovations.

It is so innovative I think people have a hard time trusting it enough to buy it. It's too bad.

Oops. It's the FN P90.

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Originally Posted by HamburgO

Yeah, that varies for people. Always worked well for me, and I sometimes tend to miss the grip safety on certain 1911s and the Springfield XD series... go figure!

That squeeze-cocker arguably makes the P7 one of the safest handguns ever made. I say arguably because a) according to a gunsmith I know, , the system can fail mechanically in rare cases, something about one of the springs or pins in the cocking assembly, and b) if your finger is holding back the trigger as you squeeze-cock, the weapon will discharge.

Back in the 80's, well-known gun trainer Massad Ayoob was enthusiastically recommending it for LE and civilian carry. A lot of "old-school" guys in the private security business carry it to this day - it used to be the de-facto standard for them because the accuracy, safety and concealability of the pistol could not be beat.

Damn, I'm starting to feel sorry that I traded mine in... :-(

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I would be sorry if I got rid of mine also, as for holding the trigger squeezing I've never tried that. So I don't know. As for the squeeze cocking, some people don't have the strength to hold the cocking mechanism back for any length of time. I first saw them in a documentary where the German special forces. I think they were called the GS G9 and used it to breach an aircraft simulating taking it back from terrorists. One of the operators came in through the door rolled across the floor came up and put to when the forehead of a manikin. Some of the most unbelievable shooting I have ever seen. That's what convinced me to get mine and have never been sorry with the choice.

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Originally Posted by HamburgO

Believe me, I so get what you're saying! The P7 is a stellar piece, a perfect marriage of design and function - clearly "Made In Germany"! As is the watch I got ;-)

As a collector, you may know of the Sinn brand of watches. I had never heard of or seen them until two years ago, and it was love at first sight. Since then, I've been looking for a particular model, the EZM 1. It's a real classic of theirs, and not very easy to find these days. Through a fortunate coincidence, I recently became aware that an acquaintance (who owns about as many watches as you do!), had a 2000 3H EZM1. The same acquaintance had expressed some interest in my P7s - voila! - now he has those, and I have the EZM 1...

BTW, also looking for a Rolex Datejust, mid to late 60s, black dial and gold bezel, black leather strap - any leads?

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I hear you. I also have a Sinn watch in my collection might be tempted also so you are forgiven. As for the ECM. I can't picture it in my mind at the moment although if it is made by Sinn watch it must be nice. As for the Rolex datejust we have similar tastes as mine has a black dial with gold numbers and stainless bracelet with platinum bezel however, have you checked out Ball watch company? Go to their website and check out the tritium tube technology. These things light up like televisions at night. I have five of those already and I'm dying for another. Check them out. I think you'll have something new on your want list.

I called my local sheriff and told him i wanted to know if it was leagle to carry a cap and ball pistol when hunting or hiking ot other activies and he said that its not considered a firarm because its a black powder gun and that i was leagle to carry it but he strongly reccomened that i do not carry it into a store or into a town because the cops could hold me there untill it was proven i was leagle and he said it just cause a mess for everone invlved so i think im gonna get one for hunting and trapping and when im at the farm to hopfully shoot the groundhogs that live near the barn before they come after me like i had happen before.

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I hear you. I also have a Sinn watch in my collection might be tempted also so you are forgiven. As for the ECM. I can't picture it in my mind at the moment although if it is made by Sinn watch it must be nice. As for the Rolex datejust we have similar tastes as mine has a black dial with gold numbers and stainless bracelet with platinum bezel however, have you checked out Ball watch company? Go to their website and check out the tritium tube technology. These things light up like televisions at night. I have five of those already and I'm dying for another. Check them out. I think you'll have something new on your want list.

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Here is a poor picture of the Sinn EZM 1 I traded for:

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This was Sinn's original 1997 design of a special forces oriented "mission timer" (literal translation of EinsatzZeitMesser).

Our friends from the GSG 9 used the EZM 1 for a while back in the day, but since have moved to a dedicated version of the Sinn EZM 2B - the UX GSG 9:

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Will definitely check out the Ball line-up :-))

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I called my local sheriff and told him i wanted to know if it was leagle to carry a cap and ball pistol when hunting or hiking ot other activies and he said that its not considered a firarm because its a black powder gun and that i was leagle to carry it but he strongly reccomened that i do not carry it into a store or into a town because the cops could hold me there untill it was proven i was leagle and he said it just cause a mess for everone invlved so i think im gonna get one for hunting and trapping and when im at the farm to hopfully shoot the groundhogs that live near the barn before they come after me like i had happen before.

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LOL... The groundhogs came after you? Shades of "Caddyshack"!

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I would be sorry if I got rid of mine also, as for holding the trigger squeezing I've never tried that. So I don't know. As for the squeeze cocking, some people don't have the strength to hold the cocking mechanism back for any length of time. I first saw them in a documentary where the German special forces. I think they were called the GS G9 and used it to breach an aircraft simulating taking it back from terrorists. One of the operators came in through the door rolled across the floor came up and put to when the forehead of a manikin. Some of the most unbelievable shooting I have ever seen. That's what convinced me to get mine and have never been sorry with the choice.

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GSG9 was formed after the Munich Olympics tragedy in 1972. Until then, the Germans didn't have a counter-terrorism unit per se, just local SWAT teams, one of which screwed up disastrously in Munich. The team was put together by a colonel in the German Border Patrol, Ulrich Wegener, who had previously gone through extensive training with Israeli and British special forces units. Within a few years, GSG 9 under the tutelage of Wegener became one world's foremost CT and hostage-rescue units. Pretty amazing team!

The P7 PSP was produced as of of 1979, and was probably the most advanced semi-auto handgun out there at the time. I sure can't think of any other. Today, GSG 9 members can choose between the HK USP .45 or the Glock 17 9mm as their sidearm.

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It makes a distinctive "clunk" when it's cocked or released, doesn't it?

Thanks ,now I want That Sinn also-I hope you like the Ball as much.....

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It makes a distinctive "clunk" when it's cocked or released, doesn't it?

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Well, it's not a sound as audible as racking a pump action or even a pistol slide. There is however, a distinct sound and feel to the operator holding the gun, i.e. I would know if it's cocked or not... BTW, not sure who said earlier that "some people don't have the strength to hold the squeeze-cocker pressed back..." but that's not entirely accurate. It only takes 15 lbs. of pressure to press the squeeze-cocker all the way back - a weak adult with very poor hand-strength can still generate about 20kgs. of pressure (44 lbs.) Once the handle mechanism has been squeezed back, it only requires two pounds of pressure to keep it there. The mechanics are really well thought-out and executed... ja, zeese Germans are very smart ven it comes to vorking with ze steel!