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    Everyone knows that cell rot is a common occurrence in razors with celluloid scales. Everyone seems to agree that some colors are more problematic than others, for example it's common in the yellowish celluloid scales like those on the DD, but not common in black scales. I wondered why that would be.

    Celluloid was manufactured from the mid 19th century until about 1940. It is made from nitrocellulose (gun cotton) and camphor. A lot of people people have long put a piece of camphor into their tool boxes, since it emits a gas that creates a light coating on metal that prevents rust. So clearly the camphor is not the culprit. Looking at 19th century pigments it turns out that one of the most common pigments used for reds and yellows was iron oxide (rust). So, I'm speculating that the outgassing of the camphor is carrying traces of iron oxide (and other pigments) and depositing them on the blade as a thin film. The rust then quickly spreads from that iron oxide rich deposit. What do you think?
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    DD scales in question had no Yellow pigment
    They were White and Clear
    They are also Catalin and the recipe changed in the later years

    Part of the problem with Cell Rot is that there are few rules because there were so many recipes

    The idea that Light colored scales / Bright colored scales are more susceptible might not actually be truth, it very well could simply be the recipe

    The Celluloid actually breaks down and Off-Gasses... The off gassing is nitric acid or acetic acid.


    Try searching Neil Miller & Cell Rot together

    The Late Mr. Miller forgot more about Celluloid then most of us will ever know

    ps: There is also a ton of info available away from the SR aspect if you look at Celluloid Collectibles and also the Film Industry's problems with Cell rot
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    ps: There is also a ton of info available away from the SR aspect if you look at Celluloid Collectibles and also the Film Industry's problems with Cell rot[/QUOTE]

    Good point Glen! I can remember a few years back when those in the movie industry were trying to preserve/restore a lot of the old movies as they were done on film that was either celluloid or contain some celluloid, I don't remember exactly which. I guess we actually lost some of the old movies because of cell rot.
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    The off-gassing is also flammable - a well known hazard of old accordions covered in pearlescent celluloid which can burst into flame when the player lights a cigarette, etc. This finish is known in the trade as MOTS - Mother of Toilet Seat!
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    ^^Wow that would make for quite a show!

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