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02-10-2016, 03:53 PM #1
Cell Rot
Everyone knows that cell rot is a common occurrence in razors with celluloid scales. Everyone seems to agree that some colors are more problematic than others, for example it's common in the yellowish celluloid scales like those on the DD, but not common in black scales. I wondered why that would be.
Celluloid was manufactured from the mid 19th century until about 1940. It is made from nitrocellulose (gun cotton) and camphor. A lot of people people have long put a piece of camphor into their tool boxes, since it emits a gas that creates a light coating on metal that prevents rust. So clearly the camphor is not the culprit. Looking at 19th century pigments it turns out that one of the most common pigments used for reds and yellows was iron oxide (rust). So, I'm speculating that the outgassing of the camphor is carrying traces of iron oxide (and other pigments) and depositing them on the blade as a thin film. The rust then quickly spreads from that iron oxide rich deposit. What do you think?
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02-10-2016, 04:43 PM #2
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Thanked: 13230DD scales in question had no Yellow pigment
They were White and Clear
They are also Catalin and the recipe changed in the later years
Part of the problem with Cell Rot is that there are few rules because there were so many recipes
The idea that Light colored scales / Bright colored scales are more susceptible might not actually be truth, it very well could simply be the recipe
The Celluloid actually breaks down and Off-Gasses... The off gassing is nitric acid or acetic acid.
Try searching Neil Miller & Cell Rot together
The Late Mr. Miller forgot more about Celluloid then most of us will ever know
ps: There is also a ton of info available away from the SR aspect if you look at Celluloid Collectibles and also the Film Industry's problems with Cell rotLast edited by gssixgun; 02-10-2016 at 10:56 PM.
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02-10-2016, 06:40 PM #3
ps: There is also a ton of info available away from the SR aspect if you look at Celluloid Collectibles and also the Film Industry's problems with Cell rot[/QUOTE]
Good point Glen! I can remember a few years back when those in the movie industry were trying to preserve/restore a lot of the old movies as they were done on film that was either celluloid or contain some celluloid, I don't remember exactly which. I guess we actually lost some of the old movies because of cell rot."If You Knew Half of What I Forgot You Would Be An Idiot" - by DoughBoy68
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02-10-2016, 08:04 PM #4
The off-gassing is also flammable - a well known hazard of old accordions covered in pearlescent celluloid which can burst into flame when the player lights a cigarette, etc. This finish is known in the trade as MOTS - Mother of Toilet Seat!
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." -H. L. Mencken
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02-10-2016, 08:54 PM #5
^^Wow that would make for quite a show!
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02-10-2016, 09:01 PM #6
Early billiard balls as well! The Earliest Plastic Billiard Balls Had A Habit Of Exploding
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." -H. L. Mencken