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Hi, i need some advise please.
I have the shaptons 1k,4k,8k,16k. I've been honing for a few months getting great results, using my shaptons and then CroX or Diamond on a felt paddle.
Today i ordered the Shapton 30k from Japan. I cant wait to receive it :)
First off, how many laps should i do on the 30k? I only do about 15 laps on the 16k but ive read about people doing untold laps on the 30k..
Also does the 30k mean i should stop using the Crox and Diamond .05?
Many thanks..
This has been recently discussed in another thread, over here: http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...-shaptons.html. Good luck!
There is only one person out there in Razorland that I have ever read about doing "Many" laps on the 30k, ever other person I have seen including myself uses very few, (less then 10) and many of us are pretty picky about what razor we even use the 30k on.. You are going to have to try a few approaches and figure out what works best for you and your face.. All this is also subjective to where the edge "is" after coming off the 16k and the previous progression :).. I base everything on my systems being absolutely positive that I don't "NEED" anything past the 8k level to get a great shave...Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
Paste is always a YMMV situation, I don't use CrOx after the 30k or anything else that adds sharpness. I have found that after really high grit hones I like the CeOx better as it really has very little cutting power and functions mainly as a smoothing agent... Again try it out and see what works for you.
I would imagine that a 30k would almost be a necessity for kamisori's. Giving how they require a higher level of sharpness? Don't really know too much about shaptons or kamisoris. But both spark my interest and I hope to upgrade to shaptons
I have always had better results using Naturals on Kamisori but that is just what I have found, try it and see what you get... I like the more gentle cutting action from the naturals for KamisoriQuote:
Originally Posted by Swerve
I don't have a clue about the shaps or kamis I was just interested in the answer. I plan to break into both sooner or later n I was just wondering
Too bad you didn't wait a bit, there is a 30K in the classified's.
Thanks but i prefer new stuff :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shooter74743
I never knew there was a classified section until now.
What is CeOx? i cant seem to find it
Cerium Oxide
You have to find the 99% pure or better the "Gold Bars" out there are not even close, often the really good stuff is called "Super Cerium"
It is often used in Glass polishing ie: optics supply
It is much like CrOx only much less abrasive, softer more polishing, less cutting
It will NOT help to sharpen the edge, unless the edge is all there. it does little to help it get there, it only helps with the felt smoothness
I have found some online, do you think i could use it on the felt or maybe the leather that has a nap, kinda like suede. Or does it have to be cotton?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I'm not even a year into straight razors but the thing ive found to sharpen my blades to the point of super sticky, is stropping. People told me,strop,strop,strop but i thought it just maintained an edge but now i realise it sharpens. 40 on cotton then 100 on the leather , gives me a massive improvment after honing..
I use Leather but I guess pretty much anything soft would work, I don't think Balsa would be a good idea but I haven't actually ever liked Balsa for anything myself...
Stropping is that last thing the edge touches before the face, it plays a much larger role then I think it is given credit for, but the edge still has to be honed well before the strop can be effective...
If you prefer new stuff, won't do you much good. Personally, I love buying quality used stuff at a discounted price. To each their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
To each their own. I'll add myself to list of guys liking to own the new stuff. Something about knowing that no one else has had their hands on "your stuff" and it's only yours. Guess that's why we use YMMV so often around here. But darn sure I keep my eye out for a good "vintage" or used razor in the classifieds or elsewhere :)
I've found some SUPER CERIUM OXIDE on ebay , its 45 dollars with postage to the uk,, for a 2oz tub..
I will buy it and save it until i have some 30k experience under my belt.
How would i mix it? with water or oil? I'd use on the felt paddle i have, and how much would i need to use.
thanks
That sounds pretty expensive for 2 oz that sounds more like the 1 lb price last time I bought it I paid $48 shipped US for a pound...
I did think it alot of cashiolie for 2oz..Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I might have to shop around, maybe try and find some over here in England :)
Yeah it really isn't rare at all any place that grinds and polishes Eyeglasses will use it
Is it therefore safe to say that any paste used for optics in the 0.1-2 micron range can be used for sharpening/smoothening razors? I located some diamond pastes in the Netherlands intended for polishing glass, but have not yet pulled the trigger.
I just purchased 4 0z of Super Cerium Oxide for $25 including postage from France...
Can some one tell me how to apply it and how to mix it?
Many thanks
I recently bought some balsa wood and was given some diamond paste by a guy who showed me how to set it up and use it, and I am awestruck by how good it works! So you are saying that there are even better ways to use abrasive pastes than on balsa? What do you use, exactly? And would you recommend it for a newbie? Do you just use it on a regular strop? This Cerium sounds interesting. I guess the diamond is more cutting and the cerium is more smoothing? If so, could I use diamond first and then cerium? I have all the way down to .1 micron in diamond paste but it is already rubbed into my balsa wood. I plan to order some next week. Diamond that is. What I got was give to me. Maybe I should look for some cerium too?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
If I was you it's buy some diamond 0.5 and some Crox sprays , then try them on felt..
If you set on using the cerium on felt you are going to have to figure out how to get it to spray in a suspension..
I would do some google searches on Cerium Oxide Suspension as I know the Eyeglass industry uses it in suspension, but I have never researched how they do it..
I guess you could also just apply the powder to the felt, but I don't know how effective that will be
How exactly do you use yours? I'll just copy you :)
Safe to say ??? No but it seems that many of the abrasive crossover, Diamond is a pretty effective cutter, so you want to be careful how you use it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurens
Some are looking to improve the actual sharpness of the edge, which isn't a bad thing per se but over doing it can lead to a harsh edge, myself I am looking to only smooth the feel of the edge when I look at using a paste so I want a specific result.. With Diamonds I like the results off Felt as it "Tempers" the cutting effect.
You have to experiment with your edges to see what works best for you, IMHO it depends on where the edge starts, to how things work out