Hi, i'm looking at Jnats and im wondering what is the best finisher.
The Shoubudani Asagi Lv 5+ looks nice to me but i know nothing really.
Maybe personal preference comes into it?
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Hi, i'm looking at Jnats and im wondering what is the best finisher.
The Shoubudani Asagi Lv 5+ looks nice to me but i know nothing really.
Maybe personal preference comes into it?
If you don't know nothing really then really don't buy one.
First study them and learn. There are many pitfalls for the uninitiated.
I've done some reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
One thing im wondering, can you hone your razor with synthetics and then just finish on a jnat.
Or are you suppose to use jnats from bevel setting to final polish?
thx
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Originally Posted by JOB15
yes you can work on your synthetics and then set a natural finish. go from around 8k to a nice jnat with tomo nagura. should give you a nice edge.
watch out for honing on the jnat with water only. many of the hard jnats tends to scratch the steel easy. so its easier to just break down a tomoslurry and finish there.
Many thanks, for your non sarcastic reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMagnus
:)
No worries man. we are here to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
Good advice. And try to find a provider that: shaves himself, shaves with a straight razor himself, tests his stones on an individual one by one basis, tests and matches the tomonagura with the actual base stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMagnus
good luck,
Alex
I was looking at this Buy Shoubudani Asagi Lv 5+ | Buy Japanese Natural Stones | Services EU | JNS Slibe Service DK Kokkeknive Reviews | Japanese Natural StonesQuote:
Originally Posted by alx
I'm waiting for the arrival of my Suehiro Gokumyo 20k at the moment so buying a jnats at he same time is a bit silly.
I have stone fever i think.
I think the Jnats are more appealing than synthetics
The Gokumyo 20k didnt take 500 million years to be made by God himself :)
A shubodani is an easier stone IMO. All good advice given here. Start on synthetic and finish on a jnat, then when you get that down, you will me able to eliminate most if not all of the synthetics with the exception of some blades that need major edge work.
Do you mean that one Japanese Natural Stone can act as bevel setter and a finisher?Quote:
Originally Posted by bill3152
and what do you mean by an easier stone?
thanks
I was not being sarcastic. I was being dead serious. We have many "experts" on this forum when it comes to Japanese Stones. I know squat about them but I do know a thing or two about Geology and I do know that in Japan there are people who collect and study them and have been doing that all their lives. They specialize on various locals and it is a lifelong endeavor.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
Most who think they know study a bit and do some reading and think they have it down but really are clueless but will never realize it.
It not just a matter of knowing the names of the stones and what they do but being able to recognize them in all their grades and variations and I don't mean every hone just the one or two you might be interested in.
Just my 2 cents for those who want to avoid being fleeced.
They are all different so there is no best finisher, you have to talk to the seller and ask his advise.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
What kind of experience with hones do you have so far?
Stefan May have been too modest to post this very helpful video that really got me up and running on Jnats. Watch these and you'll get a feel for one approach to the process that I find works exceptionally well with both my Shobudani and my Ozuku.
Nagura Honing 1 - YouTube
Nagura Honing 2 - YouTube
My only experience is with synthetic stones.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
I have the shaptons 1k to 30k
My brother has the Nortons and a a few Naniwa.
I hone my small collection of blades (4) and my brothers large collection, which ive been doing for maybe a year.
I still have a long way to go.
The main problem is that i shave once per week, it takes ages to dull a blade :( :)
Nice one...thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by OCDshaver
"If you don't know nothing really then really don't buy one."Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
I used the word "really" and you repeated it twice, i found that slightly offensive.
I'm over it now though :)
lol some ppl sure sounds like thay wanna scare you away from things u want to know more about. i buy a stone and use it to learn how it works. i dont read about natural stones since thay can act so diffrent from stone to stone, same with names/brands really. but if you buy from a source like maksim you can take avanage of asking him how the stone works so its a less gamble of getting a bad stone, full of toxic lines etc.
I say buy one.
Very nice videos but..... I think my carpal tunnel would kick in using these stones(;-(...
Thanks, ive e mailed Mr Maksim..See what he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMagnus
If you can get good shaving edge with your synthetics then you will be able to take full advantage of a good Jnat finisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
The one you linked from JNS looks good, just ask Maksim for a good razor finisher for beginner and some naguras and a nice soft fine tomonagura and you will be set.
I contacted Manskim and he offered me a slightly more expensive stone, telling me it was his best.
But the price of that with 3 Nagura and a tomo is a bit beyond me at the moment.
I have just had 3 weeks off work so funds are at a bit of a low.
Also the stones i was looking at are 70mm width.
I think id rather wait a month and buy a 3" plus wide stone...
I can have a month playing with my new Gokumyo 20k ..yay.
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Originally Posted by JOB15
you dont need the naguras. just a tomo imo. since your gonna do all pre work on the syntet
I thought i'd need different stones for the pre work.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMagnus
If i can do the whole thing on one stone then i'd do that.
Plus i want a stone 3 inches or more width.
Can the bevel be set on that stone?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
to do all work on that stone you need the 3 naguras. however its way easier and faster to do bevel work and pre finish work on the syntets.
ofcourse you can set the bevel on a wide stone.
using the 3 step naguras is fun if you wanna be traditional.
I'm looking at stones 80mm or wider now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMagnus
I think i'd rather spend more and get some thing perfect.
Nothing will stop me now :aargh:
Hello, since all these stones are different, they have different binder to abrasive ratios. A shubodani(I have 2) seem to have a good ratio and cut on the faster side for as hard as they are. Im not an expert but this is what Im thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOB15
Truer words were never spoken.:gl:Quote:
Originally Posted by alx
Mike