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Hello,
Please help me ID these stones! They are quite heavy and very hard to lap, after one hour of work with an Atoma 400 i can say I'm in the middle of straightening proces.
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Thanks and excuse my bat English!
They look a bit like moughton whetstones, I don't think they're Charnley Forest Hones.
@rachim: were did you get these from, from the bay ?
@Piet: not like moughton, a bit comparable because of the swirls......
you can check this thread:
Testing hones from Germany
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...er-quarry.html
Novaculite or Chert natural hone test
dont know if these fit, that why i asked about the source...
I've got them from Spain from a recently closed barbershop.Quote:
Originally Posted by doorsch
There are quarries all over the world producing rocks fine enough to be used to hone razors. Hard to tell.
Someone who really knows natural European sharpening stones and hones is Henk Bos. Here's a link: http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...teresting.html
I am not sure he is very active on SRP but you may contact him through his website.
doorsch, yes because of the swirls :D They do look more like the Ordovician Thuringian Hones.
Thats why i linked to Hatzichos Thread....even not knowing what these stones are......
I also thought on JNS / Japanese Stones that why i asked Rachim about the source....
Thanks for the help. I'll send a mail to Hank Bos in a couple of hours when i get home.
I don't think the stones are JNS. I forgot to mention that the smaller stone is glued to a rough black stone
Like coticulesQuote:
Originally Posted by Rachim
Yes, like coticules but the black side is rough, under 1k and I believe is not is natural!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
One photo with the back of the stones:
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On the first look I was thinking also about Moughton but on the second the red part is not red enough.
I don't believe they're Charnley's. I have one that's identical to your's. (160x60) right down to the brown/rust colored swirls. It's very similar to the Chinese 12k. A friend of mine in Hong Kong sent it to me. It's a bit better than the run of the mill C12s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rachim
And they are very, very hard. It did take some time to lapp, and I used a DMT XX, followed a DMT C
I'll try to post pics when I can.
@ Kees
One of the first things I do in the morning is to scan the important forums especialy the SRP and Coticule.be. ;-)
@ Rachim
Recognizing a stone off just a photo is very difficult. Looking closely, we can say the following :
* The stones absorb water.
* The colors vary slightly.
* The grain can be identified.
* We can see a red-brown swirl.
These stones make me think of the Spanish whetstones, see:
AfeitadoClasico • Ver Tema - a pedra das Meigas primeras impresiones
There has been a test about 6 varieties of these stones on another forum. The variation is from 1000 to 8000 grit. Unfortunately, the URL has been lost.
Up to now there is no good story about this Spanish whetstones. This requires at least 20 stones in order to obtain the variation in the characteristics and quality of the stones. There is still much to do...
@ Piet
A Moughton stone is very possible. The stones I have are much finer than the stones in the photos by Rachim. How the swirls go depends strongly on the direction of the cutting of the stone. See the pictures below of Moughton stones cut in a slightly different way.
The red lines appear to be slightly harder than the green surroundings. This phenomenon also occurs in the Charnley Forest stones.
The swirls look a bit yellowy/orange-y on the photos than a moughton that has deeper red/brown.
The easiest way to check it is, smell the wet slurry. If it smells like mud, it's possible to be a moughton. If not, I don't think so.
I have 2 of the fine pedra das meigas, they are fine, but somewhat soft, and slow cutting compared to almost any fine stone.
Thank you all for the help ! The swirls are indeed yellowy/orange. The slurry don't smell like mud, i'll say it's smell like iron although i'm not a very good with smells.
One more question:
Is the stone good for finish on a straight razor?
As already mentioned i also dont think its a moughton. But Henk visited the quarries there so probably there are variations in the colour, as far as i know Henk you also mentioned moughtons without the characteristic swirls
You can see it for yourself if the stones are fine enough as a finisher, all you need is an edge. That's the best part at hone hunting. And, if you are not sure then, I'm always here to help :beer2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rachim
Doorsch is right, I doubt there are many people who are as dedicated and knowledgeable as Mr. Bos, margeja about hones.
