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This is my new cretan hone , so called Turkey oil stone . An amazing , fine and very fast :ynovaculite . Mounted in a wood block .
There is nothing turkish in this Greec novaculite , amazing as they say . Mine is a lower quality and again he smashes coticule in the speed .
I would buy more , if i have an oportunity . Again - amazing stone .
I thought that was a funny looking hone until I realized it was a link. Your signature looks like advertising. You are happy with your hone and your pipe tobaccos......happy is good. But you insulted the coticule and made the hone unhappy.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Insulting the coticule , no , i love them . But the Crete stone is faster , and fine as a coti .
The OP merely stated that his new hone is faster than Coticule, my guess is the Coticule he owns.Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
I agree blanket statements should be avoided since there is no way one can try all hones in the world to compare qualities.
Natural hones vary in qualities and Coticules are not an exception, there might be Coticules out there that are finer than your Cretain hone.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
I understand that you are comparing to your coticule, but a lot of people here will not or pretend not to.
I was funnin' you, how could I not like a Cretan hone. My daughter was born on Crete, Irapetra, to be precise.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Is faster always better? I have no idea what the answer is to this but I believe it may not be a simple answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Yes i am talking about my coticules , two natural combo and 1 pure . I dont mind to offend nobody , just expresing my humble opinion. Maybe my english is the reason , sorry . I think , that my new hone is faster and is finer as a Belgian coticule .
May be some people are too sensitive about coti or thuri , arent they just a honing stones .
Almost every sintheic beets the naturals , by many points , ist it .:rofl2:
Your English is way better than my Bulgarian or Russian....the guy you should listen to is mainaman......I'm more of a class clown but you are right...people get very passionate about their hones.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Guess I should be transparent: here are my hones: add a 325 DMT.....that's it....Choseras, Naniwa Super Stones, and Suehiro Gokumyo
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еverything you ill need ever in this life for honing .
Agreed, I have what will do the job but none of the romance of the naturals. Frankly, I cannot afford them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Well i slipp on them , what can i say , it is sliperry alround them.
Now is studie the J nats and i am wondwring what the .... they have in them to cost this prise , compared to te coticule , novaculite and ect.
Today i start to hone a rasor entirely on my new Cretan hone . 27 kiebitz garantie - by gebremde Solingen - weyer .
The hole procedure last .........10 minutes .Hahaha i began with a slurry , and deluting it , like on a coticule dilucote . after it waz sharp and ready on a water i put some very thin oil for sewing mashine , on the hone and continue with the light strokes .
Stroping and shaving , what can i say :rofl2::tameshigiri::y amaizing sharpness and speed . I like it a LOT . I will buy miself a bunch of those amazing stones , eah .
Can you see white crystals on the stone under direct sunlight?
yes but that was before i soak it with oil :o
Does anyone know where one can buy a good cretan hone in Crete?
Huge slabs 2 kilos a piece
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Picked up a few Cretan hones during my stay in Crete. I even found a nice little coticule at the knife shop. I was able to set a bevel on a an old eBay full hollow in less than 5 minutes. I will have to see how it performs with other dull razors, but if the results are similar, then I may be putting my chosera 1k into early retirement.
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Very interesting pictures, thanks for the review.
Hi neighbour,Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
I found the guy from your OP, he still has these stones. I messaged him asking if he would ship to Serbia.
If not, would you be interested in sending me a piece? A friend from Denmark is also interested. Let's PM, if you think that's possible?
I too would like more info on price and where to buy, Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Srdjan
Cretan knives sells them, I bought mine from them, and I believe they ship worldwide:
Natural Cretan Sharpening Oil Stone ''Ladakona", Kai Accessories and Sharpening stones, Cretan knives
Im not selling anything , those were stones that one of my frend get from greece ,and they was knife grade Cretan
There is much finer razor grade , but the shiping from Greece is very expensive .
i canot help you unfortunately . Better try Badgister way or speak with Vassilis
Hey thanks for that. Checking the shipping rates now... seems expensive at the first glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgister
Ok, cool... Didn't realize those were knife grade. Honestly I thought you had a piece to spare (for razor bevel setting) and I was going to offer a trade. I have a bunch of rock from Montenegro that's excellent for razor finishing. Not sure if you had any contact with the stones from Serbia and/or Montenegro? Anyway, thanks for the help!Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
I did not see those from Serbia .post some pics to see them
I'm not a huge fan of off-topic discussion ;) Here's a few pics I have on my phone, for now. At some point I'll start new topics about these.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
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Rusen, can I ask for a bit of help please.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
The guy from your OP doesn't respond to me at all.. maybe because I'm writing in English. A friend of mine will be going to Sofia on the 17th-19th of August and he offered to meet the guy and buy the stone for me. However I need to know if the stone is good for razors. Can you tell from the picture if it's any good? He says it's good in his description (yes, I understand Bulgarian a bit [emoji6] ), so sounds good to me, but I've never held this stone in my hand, so not too sure.
Second question, who is Vassilis, how can he help and where is he located? Is he a member here? Sorry... that was 4 questions.
Thanks in advance!
i found this one today in morning. i thought it was a finishing hone (10k or +) but now i'm not so sure. when i found it, i smelled the oil scent (a powerfull smell >_< )
so wanted to ask you if this is a cretan hone or a finishing one? and its grit proximately?
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i may also add some pic from back side of the hone if this is not clear enough to identify...
by the way do you any idea to make it right ground for use it, as you see in the pictures it's pretty broken and i don"t think it will be nice to hone my razors but also i don't have many tools to make it completely plane by a easy way :(
EDIT: here an other pic from back side
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My two cretan hones. one was soaked in olive oil for 6 months! They are excellent hones although I haven't used them much of late, have to bring them out again
Cretan stones have grades. After this one has been soaked in oil for so long it's not visible, and it's way easier to identify them before they get soaked in oil, but there are basically three grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oustoura
The grade that looks white before it gets submerged in oil. It's soft, faster than the other two grades, and in the 4-6k approximate grit. It's also a somewhat rare find, a pure white stone. Then there is the type than when is extracted has a grey color, which is the most "abundant" type found, in the 8k grit, slower than the white type, but still faster than a soft Arkansas, and finally, and the most important for us razor guys, the blue type. It's hard and the slowest, finisher grade, like a translucent Arkansas stone, but still extremely fast for its grit. And that's a fact for Cretan stones; they are extremely fast stones, even compared to man made stones. That's why they are also prone to overhoning, so, do be careful.
To find out if your stone is a finisher or not, clean-flatten it and try it.
i added some recent pictures in here if you interested to see. i'd like to have your idea about its gradeQuote:
Originally Posted by Vasilis
I did saw the stone, but it's hard to recognize, sorry. The best way is to try it on your razor or tools/knives, and see for yourself. Light pressure, you can use it with WD40 or something similar, thin oil, and find out how good the shave is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oustoura
did it with WD40 even with hot water but it ain't go further. so i left it but i have some razors to need to hone. i will give it a try soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasilis
For cleaning the stone, I would suggest dry sandpaper. Start with 80 grit or somewhere around there, and progressively finer up to 400-600 grit. Finer sandpaper won't chance the behavior of the stone. After that, wipe with paper or cloth and clean it with oil or water and soap (but then you'll have to let it dry and reapply oil), and it will be good as new, almost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oustoura
Enjoy the view good peeps.
What we have here is some good variety of Cretans. I've been playing with these stones in the last few days and I gotta say, I am thrilled! They are so much fun!
White/grey are very fast, nice and "coarse" (2-3K EDIT: I am probably wrong here, they are closer to 5-6-7K, it's the speed that tricked me!), just what I wanted for bevel setting.
The one that looks dark grey (in fact has a touch of blue - first photo on the right) I am gonna call " the hybrid". Not sure if our friend Vasilis will agree with this categorization? I haven't tried it yet to be able to tell if it's much different. Just ran a razor over it and noticed it is a lot less scratchy, so a lot finer than the white stones... so I am inclined to believe it is something between white/grey and blue - Hybrid! :)
The blue stone is really something else.. Really smooth and very fine, just like Vasilis said above. I am very impressed so far and looking forward to do a full progression on these.
Blue on the left, "hybrid" on the right - dry.
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Same as above, wet this time.
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Blue and white in my lightbox... artsy fartsy...
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The whole variety, white, grey, hybrid, blue:
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The softer one, the white, it's not a 2-3k approximate grit, it's quite finer actually. It's the speed that makes it feel like a coarse one because of the metal it removes. I have tried dozens of soft white stones, and the edge is quite similar to a Norton 8k.
If you use it with pressure, it will cut coarsely, but with no pressure, just the weight of the razor, it leaves an edge that you can shave with it. The Cretan stone is "pressure sensitive" to an extreme degree. The more pressure you use, the more metal it removes, and the lighter the touch the finer the edge.
Thanks for the clarification Vasili. I did forget to state my astonishment with the stria I observed on the bevel.. the amount of metal removed certainly doesn't correspond to the fine lines left. I did use quite a bit of pressure at first and eased up as I went on. After only 10 hard strokes on the white stone you can see and smell the metal left behind. Just great! It will make a fine addition to the arsenal. I am optimistic about it replacing my synthetic bevel setting hone for good... Or for the most of the work I do on my shavers.
Vasilis is whrite - they are 4 - 5 k levell and they are better than the washita stones .Very good stones .
Really want to try this stone, Vasilis, is it worth your time to get razor grade stones to sell to those of us without?:shrug: I would pay a fair price for one or two stones.:D
