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08-28-2020, 01:19 PM #1
Down the rabbit hole we go
I send my razors to a very good honemeister here in the UK for honing. This is my first foray into hones and honing and I'm mainly trying it out as I'm not at work just now so hoping it will keep me occupied, which I pretty sure it will! I got the Shapton and the 2 Gouken stones on a lot from a facebook group along with other stones, holders, a cheap lapping plate and some practice razors for what seemed like a very reasonable price to me (I have no idea what these Gouken stones are like nor the others that came with the lot, they seem to be cheap naturals?) I'm still waiting on my Naniwa 3000, 5000 and 10000 coming and then I can start the learning process 😳😳😳
I plan on using the usual Naniwa progression of 1000 for bevel setting then 3000, 5000, 8000, 10000 and finishing on the 12000. Seems to be the most relevant route for a complete novice like me to take after reading on here and watching GSSixgun and Lynns videos a lot.
crawling, slipping along the edge of a straight razor....and surviving
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08-28-2020, 01:50 PM #2
Welcome to the rabbit hole. It's a long expensive drop to the bottom...if there is one...
I don't know anything about those Nats but they appear to be Japanese? Some of the Chinese stones are good but a lot of bad to so-so mixed in.
It sounds like you have a plan which is good. Plans are helpful.If I had one piece of advice worth listening to (and I'm not saying that I do necessarily) it would be this. Spend most of your time perfecting the bevel set. Everything from there is refining.
Good luck to you.Iron by iron is sharpened, And a man sharpens the face of his friend. PR 27:17
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08-28-2020, 01:51 PM #3
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Thanked: 3215The boxes say 1,2,4,8 & 12k. Is that what you got?
If so, that is all you need, you do not really need the 2k. You do not need a 3,5, &10k.
They are all good stones all are synthetic non are Naturals. You should get a diamond plate to lap them if you did not get one. What is the cheap lapping plate?
Sounds like you got all you need, more than you need.
You can buy a good diamond plate of about $30 US. Then lap all your stones flat. Tons of threads and video on lapping synthetic stones are available.
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08-28-2020, 02:03 PM #4
I bought the 1000 and 12000 separately. The 2, 4 and 8 came with the lot as well as these below and the lapping plate.
Here is a link to the Gauken stones that I found, they seem to be Naniwa also but are slimmer than the super stones:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NANIWA-Japa.../dp/B008R61R88Last edited by Reills; 08-28-2020 at 02:06 PM.
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08-28-2020, 02:08 PM #5
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Thanked: 4822A good loupe is a fantastic tool for honing.
https://belomostore.com/belomo-10x-triplet-loupe.html
There are many out there. Quality optics is better than high power magnification.
As Paul said, Getting the bevel set is paramount to a good edge. That is when the two sides of the bevel meet and for a perfect apex.
Taping the spine is much talked about. People new to honing tend to put way too much pressure on the spine, it will cause your spine to prematurely wear and mess up your geometry. Tape is likely your new best friend.
Learn with good razors and save the junk for when you want to learn about fixing razors.It's not what you know, it's who you take fishing!
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08-28-2020, 02:11 PM #6crawling, slipping along the edge of a straight razor....and surviving
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08-28-2020, 02:31 PM #7
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Thanked: 3215That diamond plate is fine for lapping stone and all you need. The smaller naturals are from a set that has been around on eBay for some time. They are ok but perform in the 4-6k range. The 8k and 12k will outperform them, all day long.
Learn on the synthetic progression 1,4,8, & 12k first. Then if you want try naturals. Nothing you have there will outperform the 12k, and possibly the 8k.
The 12k super stone has a tendency to load up and can cause finishing issues, just a quick lap on the diamond plate will remove swarf load up (black staining) and give you a fresh even cutting surface, especially for your final laps, always re-lap before your finishing laps, avoid problems.
Really the 12k Super Stone is so aggressive you can make the 4k to 12k jump easily but learn to use the 4-8k progression for now. There is an old post on bevel setting on the 12k super stone, one stone honing.
Hard to say what the other 2 stones on the left are, from the photo. The Naniwia Pro stones are inexpensive smaller stone, they are ok, but you already have a good 8k, use it.
Grid mark with pencil and lap all your stone under running water, lot of water. If you do not lap under water, you can rip out the diamonds from the plate. Make sure to bevel or round the corners.
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08-28-2020, 02:38 PM #8