Thanks guys. I guess what I'm gonna do is get that vintage Thuringen then, and combined with some cheap synths (not too cheap, Nortons or the like) and my Swaty, learn how to hone, touch up and/or finish them. My absolute romantic dream is to do all natural honing, somehow combing BBW, coticule, and Thuringen from start to finish, maybe using a japanese once in a while. But I'll learn to hone first.