bevel setters

I have norton 1k and dmt1200 and recently naniwa 1200. I don't use norton as it drys out to quik. I'm just setting bevel with naniwa and testing by tpt bevel seems there but tpt not as sticky as usaul. so i have just done 10 laps on my dmt and the edge feels sticky as hell i went back and did 10 more laps on naniwa and not quite as sticky . tnt real drag and grip of dmt1200 after naniwa drag but not strong as dmt my bevel feels much sharper of the dmt does any one no why this could be?

I have to say i have always been amazed how the dmt sets a bevel its easy to use and so flat i have to say its my number one choice of bevel setter at the moment oviously the naniwa is new but i have to say it does seem to cut quikley. which one are you guys finding works best?

I haven't got the Naniwa ... yet... but I find the DMT 1200 is the fastest. I proceed with caution when using the DMT because it is so fast. I also use the Shapton pro 1k followed by the 2k. My Norton 1k is alright but I consider it slow. With my Nortons I find that keeping them in water all of the time helps with them not drying out as fast when I am honing with them. I just have to change the water every so often to avoid slime building up.

the naniwa is faster than norton and has realy good feel quite smooth actualy, dmt is quik but not much between naniwa 1k just of dmt the edges feel realy sharp and then i find they calm down and feel smoother once 4k n has been used.

btw is it possible to over hone with 1k stage basicly can it be possible to over do it i tend to stop when bevel looks nice and even from heal to toe and when i get a real griping sensation across wet nail.

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Originally Posted by gary haywood

btw is it possible to over hone with 1k stage basicly can it be possible to over do it i tend to stop when bevel looks nice and even from heal to toe and when i get a real griping sensation across wet nail.

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When I get a positive TNT I do a few more x strokes on my bevel setter to undo any damage the TNT my have done and then move on to my 4k. I do not use the TNT again but go to the TPT. Those Naniwas sound like they are really more suited to razor honing than the other synthetic options. I mean what i read about the softness and feedback compared to the Norton and the Shapton offerings. I will be interested in seeing what they are like firsthand.

I agree that the DMT cuts faster, or at least I *THINK* it does. However, the scratches it leaves are undesireable to me. I prefer the Naniwa 1k. Or at the least I will finish with 20-40 laps on the Nani to mitigate the scratches on the DMT. However, I don't finish completely on the DMT before moving to the Nani if I do that. I get it close and then let the Nani finish. I'm trying to ween myself off of the DMT too.

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Originally Posted by Leighton

I agree that the DMT cuts faster, or at least I *THINK* it does. However, the scratches it leaves are undesireable to me.

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Yes, I reserve the DMT for tough jobs such as wedges and previously abused edges on some ebay acquisitions. If I can get it with the Shap pro 1k I will default to that and if the edge is close enough at the start I will go right to the 4k.

i have to get a new bevel seter and i dont know now what it should be a dmt or the naniwa , so someone make my mind up for me .

I am a DMT guy too that recently purchased a naniwa 1k. You can read my trials and tribulations on the forum...


I think it is just adjusting to a new hone. I am finally starting to get the hang of it.

I have been experimenting w/ using dmt for initial bevel, then naniwa to remove scratches before 4k level and just uses naniwa....

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Originally Posted by ronnie brown

i have to get a new bevel seter and i dont know now what it should be a dmt or the naniwa , so someone make my mind up for me .

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Go with Naniwa you will win in a long run.
Dmt does cuts faster and put very nice edge but it will not last longer. if you use it normal sharpening 2-4 blades for a day 6 months dmt is gone. Gl

Hmmmm, how do I say this? If I had your hones I would use the DMT to remove nicks and old oxidized steel along the edge. Then I would follow that with the Naniwa 1000 to smooth out the damage that the DMT has done. I would never expect the edge from either the Naniwa 1000 or the Norton 1000 to feel as "grippy" as the DMT edge. IMHO the DMT edge is slightly damaged by the harshness of the DMT.

IMHO the bevel is started by the 1000 grit but is actually "set" (developed, formed) by the 4000 grit hone.


Just my $.02,:)

jimmy i still like the feel of the 4k and 8k norton you can not beat it feels alot better than 8k naniwa any day its realy werd i 1k 3k 5k 8k 12k i think the 5k feels smoother than the 8k the 1k feels rather smooth . they all feel differant i think because i'm use to the norton 4k 8k i'm always comparing the 4k 8k is a good stone and does exallant job.

[QUOTE=randydance062449;424425]Hmmmm, how do I say this? If I had your hones I would use the DMT to remove nicks and old oxidized steel along the edge. Then I would follow that with the Naniwa 1000 to smooth out the damage that the DMT has done. I would never expect the edge from either the Naniwa 1000 or the Norton 1000 to feel as "grippy" as the DMT edge. IMHO the DMT edge is slightly damaged by the harshness of the DMT.

IMHO the bevel is started by the 1000 grit but is actually "set" (developed, formed) by the 4000 grit hone.

That makes sense after dmt then 4k it loose that real grab and feels sticky but smooth and less gritty edge

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Originally Posted by gary haywood

jimmy i still like the feel of the 4k and 8k norton you can not beat it feels alot better than 8k naniwa any day its realy werd i 1k 3k 5k 8k 12k i think the 5k feels smoother than the 8k the 1k feels rather smooth . they all feel differant i think because i'm use to the norton 4k 8k i'm always comparing the 4k 8k is a good stone and does exallant job.

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Gary, did you see the grit comparison PDF here ? Note that the Japanese 5k is comparable to the Norton 8K. Now the only example is the Shapton Pro so we don't know about the Naniwa but I bet, being that they are also Japanese mfg, that they are the same.

So that explained why I really liked the feel of the Shapton 2K. It is equivalent to the Norton 4k. So I would do pyramids on the Shap pro 5/8 and feel like it was taking forever and it was compared to the Norton 4/8. Had I been using the Shap pro 2/5 in a pyramid I would have been doing the same thing.

I sent my Shap pros to a friend who wanted to try them out and so I can't test this theory for a couple of more weeks until I get them back but I am pretty sure I am correct ...... If the PDF is correct ..... so go by the grit chart and adjust your progression and you may find that you like the Naniwa's feel and results as much as the Nortons.