My Shaptons!

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09-14-2009, 08:35 PM
StraightRazorDave

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My Shaptons!

Hey all,

So the last couple of stones arrived today that complete my Shapton set. They are great stones, I love them so far! I've really enjoyed using them, and have many many many more hours of honing/bonding to go with them. :D

Yes, I got the ENTIRE set of the glass stones. Am I crazy? Probably. But who cares, I'm having fun.

So in the first pic you can see my new set which includes: 220, 500, 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 6000, 8000, 16000, and the 30000 stones, the DGLP and the stone holder.

The second pic shows ALL of my honing buddies. In addition to the Shaptons, I have a DMT D8C, DMT D6EF, coticule, vintage thuringian, and my Nakayama (with little matching slurry stone).

So I am VERY pleased with this new set of stones, and I confidently believe I am ready for any honing situation! :mace:

Anyways, here are the pics. Enjoy!

P.S. I forgot to thank the man who made this all possible. Thanks Tom (jendeindustries) for all of the help, great service, and fast shipping! You are my Shapton hero. :tu
09-14-2009, 08:41 PM
hi_bud_gl

WOW
To day I can say 100% you do have HAD WELCOME AND ENJOY PLEASE.
THANK YOU for showing nice hones.
Let me know differences between your natural nakayama and 30000 k Please.
09-14-2009, 08:42 PM
hoglahoo

So... one honing stroke per hone per razor? :D

congrats, what a great looking set!
09-14-2009, 08:43 PM
Carbonsteel928

Wow! Let me know what life is like with only one arm and a leg. :mexwave:

Seriously though, I'm a bit jealous. those are some great stones. I have them all but the 16k,30k, holder and the lapping plate.
09-14-2009, 09:18 PM
ChrisL

You've got the set, to be sure. Don't use the GDLP on that 220!

Chris L
09-14-2009, 09:30 PM
StraightRazorDave

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Originally Posted by ChrisL

You've got the set, to be sure. Don't use the GDLP on that 220!

Chris L

Don't worry, I lapped the 220 and 500 (just to be safe) with my DMT. :D The GDLP (or DGLP) works wonders on the Shaptons, and leaves a great surface on the stones. I use it under a constant stream of water with the stones secured in the holder. I've read your posts about the DGLP and how you have to treat it with respect and a fine instrument. :tu

Oh, and I do have HAD for sure, I never denied that! :) And it was worth it, you only really need 1 arm to hone anyways, I still have 1 leg left to pawn for some more hones. :D

I know I didn't need the whole set, but I know once I have my bevel set, I'll really only need a few strokes per stones to get the job done. And I got the whole set off the bat because I know if I didn't get the non-essentials (i.e. the 220, 3000, 6000...) it would bug me in the long-run, so just bite the bullet and get 'em all the first time.

On the few razors I've used the 30k it's worked very well. I still think I prefer my Nakayama-ed edge, but I also have more experience with my Nakayama. I'll need to practice more and more with these stones, when I have time, and will get to know them the more I use them. I'm in no rush though, as I'm getting pretty good results and am just enjoying the ride. :)
09-14-2009, 09:42 PM
huntmol

WOWZA, that's a lot of Shaptons! Great set!
You know what? I always wished that they made Shaptons in a 2" width. I'd definitely own a lot more of them, then.
09-14-2009, 11:16 PM
gssixgun

SWEET !!!!!

Ain't it Cool !!!
09-14-2009, 11:24 PM
thebigspendur

Sorry but your not complete. I don't see the honing pond. Har Har

Enjoy them.
09-15-2009, 02:00 AM
matt321

Nice rocks. (If we ever want to trap you we'll use a dull razor as the bait.) :)
09-15-2009, 04:08 AM
CraigJ

Oh thank god it is regular photos. I was half expecting to see these stones in little cheerleader outfits.
09-15-2009, 09:42 PM
StraightRazorDave

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Originally Posted by CraigJ

Oh thank god it is regular photos. I was half expecting to see these stones in little cheerleader outfits.

Don't give me any ideas! :D
06-01-2010, 05:47 PM
alx

Hi Dave
From your exciting post last year upon the completion of your Shapton stone set, you mentioned the 30k compared to your Nakayama as far as a preferrence. Have you gotten enough licks in on the 30k by now to update which side of the fence you find yourself. Alx
06-01-2010, 09:16 PM
Disburden

Is it just me or have I seen less and less posts on the shapton hones? They seemed popular in the forums a year ago and now no one mentions them that much. Any ideas, or am I nuts?:beer2:
06-01-2010, 10:07 PM
ChrisL

This forum is not immune to fervor created by a new to the scene product. You're correct that Shapton stones seemed to have hit a high point and the interest has seemed to have dropped off a bit. Certainly not for lack of ability and variety in stones the Shaptons offer IMO.

Prior to the Shaptons coming on scene, there was Norton which top out at 8k, Spydercos and other than naturals, what else was there? King? Ice Bear? Not much. Since then, Naniwas have come on the scene stealing thunder from the Shapton stones. Also, I think the surge of interest in the high grit Japanese naturals has cut into the interest of the Shapton 30k stone.

While I'm all for HAD and experimentation is great, I also think some of the rage and fervor that develops over certain types of stones is from some that may be hoping on some level that the stone/s will be so incredible that the stone/s will hone the razors almost regardless of the user's involvement.

You could hand someone who is not adept at honing a $5,000+ Japanese natural 30k+ grit hone and they may not get a razor to shave and you could hand someone who is adept at honing a Norton 8k and they could bring about a beautiful shaving edge. It ain't the tool it's the...or something along those lines.

Chris L
06-02-2010, 01:00 AM
Disburden

Thanks, Chris, I've been thinking about these hones for a while. I know some people don't like them but others love them, I was most curious of the sweet 16k. :)
06-02-2010, 01:10 AM
Ryan82

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Originally Posted by Disburden

Is it just me or have I seen less and less posts on the shapton hones? They seemed popular in the forums a year ago and now no one mentions them that much. Any ideas, or am I nuts?:beer2:

That's the way it goes around here. Coticules were all the rage when I arrived here, and especially now that Bart doesn't post much anymore we hear less and less about them. Hell, most times when coticules are mentioned now things get so heated that the thread has to get locked down. Go figure.....
06-02-2010, 10:51 AM
Stubear

Nice haul! Those Shaptons are great stones and put a nice sharp edge on a razor. Finish off on your Nakayama and you'll have the king of edges..! :)

I'm interested to hear about how the 30k compares to the Nakayama, as I dont have the 30k, just the 16k.

Thanks for sharing!
06-02-2010, 01:11 PM
Disburden

Quick question: Say I bought the 16K and I wanted to use it after my Naniwa 12K, but I also have an Escher with a slurry stone I would like to use. Could I use the Escher after the Shapton to smooth the edge or would the totally take away the Shapton edge? Thanks!
06-02-2010, 03:03 PM
Lynn

I find that the Shapton 16K has very similar results to the Naniwa Super 12K following the 8K. I have not found any advantage in using the 16K after the 12K. This has been the same when I use a Coticule, Charnley, Japanese Natural or Escher following the 12K. The results are all similar with the differences being the degree of glide along with the cutting. The 30K however, will definitely notch the edge up a little if you don't over do it.

Have fun,

Lynn
06-02-2010, 06:45 PM
FreyGrimrod

<3 my 16k then just a touch of chromium oxide for butter....

of course when I have some funds burning through my pocket a coticule the 30k and dglp and and and.... are likely to come....
06-02-2010, 06:49 PM
gssixgun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynn

I find that the Shapton 16K has very similar results to the Naniwa Super 12K following the 8K. I have not found any advantage in using the 16K after the 12K. This has been the same when I use a Coticule, Charnley, Japanese Natural or Escher following the 12K. The results are all similar with the differences being the degree of glide along with the cutting. The 30K however, will definitely notch the edge up a little if you don't over do it.

Have fun,

Lynn

Huge +1

Also in response to the Hype vs Proved...

Certain stones have proved to be solid performers there is no HYPE they just are...

Norton 1-4-8
Naniwa Super Stone Set
Shapton Glass Stone set...

These just work... just so long as you do your part,,, they work, they work with every (solid) razor, every time, there is no question that if they don't work it is YOU not the stone!!!!....

Also on the 30k I have been messing with it quite a bit and have found that a 3-2-1 ending is the most successful one I have come up with to date... 3 light X stokes / 2 light back-honing strokes (watch the angle) / 1 light X stroke (thanks to Don for suggesting the back honing on it)
06-02-2010, 08:26 PM
JimmyHAD

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

there is no question that if they don't work it is YOU not the stone!!!!....

I bought the same set of clubs that Tiger Woods uses and dammit I haven't gotten a hole in one yet. :gaah: I know it is the clubs ..... I couldn't be me ...... could it ? :roflmao
06-02-2010, 09:16 PM
loueedacat

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisL

You could hand someone who is not adept at honing a $5,000+ Japanese natural 30k+ grit hone and they may not get a razor to shave and you could hand someone who is adept at honing a Norton 8k and they could bring about a beautiful shaving edge. It ain't the tool it's the...or something along those lines.

Chris L

yeah, but this just isn't helpful for those of us that are not adept at honing. can you recommend a hone that makes up for a lack of honing skill? :)
06-02-2010, 10:03 PM
ChrisL

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Originally Posted by loueedacat

yeah, but this just isn't helpful for those of us that are not adept at honing. can you recommend a hone that makes up for a lack of honing skill? :)

Get the Hone-X 5000. Don't tell anyone you heard it from me, but you don't even need a honing technique and that thing hones your razors to Feather sharp for you. You just set the razor near the hone. 300+ shaves between touch ups!:)

Chris L
06-02-2010, 11:49 PM
FatboySlim

Even though the Naniwa stones attempt to re-create the "feel" of Japanese natural stones (hey, it says "Fine sharpening-taste as natural stone gives" right there on the label! :)), the feel of the Shapton 16K actually reminds me a bit more of a Japanese natural than the Naniwa 12K. Both are great and effective hones, but the Shapton has an edge in "feel," for me anyway. The first time I used a good Japanese Asagi, I thought "Hmmm....that kinda feels like my 16K Shapton."

Now if the Shaptons came color-coded, with cool integral plastic honing stands with little rubber feet, then we'd be in business. I just love that. :beer2:
06-03-2010, 01:00 AM
niftyshaving

Quote:

Originally Posted by loueedacat

yeah, but this just isn't helpful for those of us that are not adept at honing. can you recommend a hone that makes up for a lack of honing skill? :)

There are a couple in the classified under services
and a secret one called a Lynn.