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I got the one with the stand. It was a gift from my wife. Feels pretty smooth and flat out of the box but I will lap it. Probably going to try it out with one of my razors later. I will have to distract myself from a small coticule which I am currently obsessed with.
-------Michael
You'll be happy with this one. Lap it for sure. It doesn't really take much (especially compared to coticule), usually around 10-15 ultra light laps will produce an awesome edge.
after shaving of the 8k norton. i tryed just 10 laps on my 12k naniwa. i have to say i realy did'nt notice much if any differance. maybe my 8k edge was pritty good. first time i ever tryed the 12k naniwa after 8k norton. maybe i should try 10 more laps ..
gary
Yet I've seen some claim the Norton 8k is comparable to a 5k Naniwa, makes you wonder doesn't it?.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gary haywood
Many people make that claim because they mistakenly think that the Norton is on the American grit system and the Naniwa is on the Japanese one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blix
Both are actually rated on the Japanese standard :) I personally think those grit charts are a detriment to honing :p
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Originally Posted by gssixgun
Yeah, you can't shave with a grit chart! :)
i've heard that 8k norton is as gooda shave that 6k delivers. i never shaved of 6k. I spoke to bob keyes about the nortons. he hones every thing with them. I have brough lots of razors from him. they all shaved nice and plenty smooth enough. He finishers after 8k on a 12k kitiyama synthetic. which is now rated 8k or 10k. he say s the kitiyama makes the tiniest differance over 8k norton. thats all just the tiniest. he says the differance is just enough to tell. i think e uses no more than 20 laps on his finisher.
My battery-thirsty microscope gave me an emphatic NO on the Naniwa 5k = Norton 8k. Still haven't shaved with Naniwaaah 5k but should someday.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
The Norton 8k isn't that coarse a hone some people think. Sure, there are other 8k stones that give a nicer polish, for example the 8k Naniwa, but I havent found a synth that was below 8k, and the finish was comparable to a 8k Norton. The 5k Naniwa, and Shapton pro 5k are both below the 8k Norton in term of finish, and final edge too. Both on my face, and under the scope, at least these are my findings :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelH
8k and up Naniwas give a very nice mirror polish, and a smooth shaving edge, my favourite synth finishers up to date.
For about a year and a half all i used was a norton 4/8. Diff bevel setters. I used a C12K and a shapton 16k. I had no problem jumping from 8k to 16k. I did do a few extra laps but great shaves. I now have the Naniwas and will be learning them.
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Originally Posted by gssixgun
Glen
I often wondered, is the Japanese grit chart based on metirc sized screens while the American screens are based on the english tables? Alx
I've found the kitayama hone to be a sub-par finisher. Its feedback is inconsistent with water only - some spots on the stone will feel smooth as glass, then you'll get to a spot which seems to "catch" your edge. This was a repeating theme, even after multiple lappings, and several honed razors.Quote:
Originally Posted by gary haywood
Well I've recently bought a Naniwa 12K too, my initial results were poor but that was because it wasn't properly lapped and the bevel of razor I was working on was only 97% of the way there. Tonight I lapped the stone properly and sorted out the bevel. I used a little slurry on the 12K, coming off a 6K stone, then finished on just water.
I've stropped and done a HHT and its much better than I usually get with a coticule or c12K, looking forward to the shave later.
I also own a Naniwa 12k (and 5k and 8k) and was wondering if people soak their stones before lapping (if so, how long?)? I've only tried honing once and managed to put several gashes in the stones. I tried lapping the stone under my tap afterwards but most of my "mistakes" are still clearly visibile. Appreciate any advice.
As I understand it Naniwas are not intended to be soaked just to have water put on them, that said but many people do submerge them for a couple of minutes before use.
I've only used mine a couple of times but preferred it having been dunked for a few minutes rather than spraying water on top which seemed to be absorbed quite quickly.
I spray it with enough water, let it soak for about 5 mins, and lap it after, this worked for me the best.