I was looking on eBay and came across a hone that was said to be comparable to a thuringian it was call a welsh thuringian does anyone know anything of these .
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I was looking on eBay and came across a hone that was said to be comparable to a thuringian it was call a welsh thuringian does anyone know anything of these .
If it's from AJsomethinorother it's the real deal.
rodb had one at the MN meet last weekend. I spent a little bit of time playing with it, and looking at the scratch pattern under the microscope. I ordered one for myself yesterday.
Search the forums for "Dragon's Tongue" to find something probably very similar.
EDIT: Ah, someone with experience - are they indeed similar? Certainly a bit more pricey, it looks like.
Rod had the three stone set - dragon's tongue, llynn melynallin (or whatever), and welsh thuringian. The llyn mellanyllan (or whatever) is a fine stone, and would make a great finisher. The welsh thuringian is even better, according to my microscope and calibrated hair tests. To be fair, I have not shaved with an edge finished on either to compare shaving characteristics.
Of the three, the dragons tongue clearly had the coarsest scratch pattern.
Come on even americans should know that Wales is on an island and Thuringia is on the continent. In seller's defense:
But I still think it's his responsibility to not be just repeating whatever BS comes up on the shaving forums. Imagine if everybody started calling the PHIG a 'chinese 12000 grit hone', all those kittens and puppies that are going to die...Quote:
THE NICK NAME "WELSH THURINGIAN"* HAS COME FROM THE SHAVING FORUMS (THEIR WORDS NOT MINE)
There's BS on a shaving forum? I thought it was all BBS...
Yeah I was wondering which forum called it that. Did some of us do that? Anyways, go to the advanced honing forum and look for something like Lyn Mellynlyn/ welsh slate combo hone. Then settle in for a long read. :)
BS, BBS, BBW it's all so confusing. I am off to google to look that last one up, I'm sure their images will make it all crystal clear...
You ought to try Google image search for both wet bbw and dry bbw to compare the differences.
And once again, a thread goes awry. lol. I wish there was a way to discreetly give points for the previous two statements. But since it's all in print, I just gotta do this I guess. :roflmao
Eric, you are a sick man. LOL
There always this for those special accidental web site discovery's.........lol
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You should also search the internet for images of whet and dry BS. So far I've found only pictures of fish and birds, a disappointment :p. Now, for the Welsh thuringian, could they just be the finer grade of yellow lake stones? This seller was selling hones called thuringians, but they were actually the bohemian slate (that's what the people who tested them told me, that it's the same stone). This Welsh Thuringian, if it's a different kind, it must be known there. I don't think it's a newly surfaced hone. Especially in UK. A few members from there should know something about it and its real name.
The seller says that he obtained the first lot of 'thuringian' stones from a central european source - where they were 'probably used to sharpen medical equipment.'
As for the 'welsh thuringian' there is the possibility that it was mined before. There is a natural stone called a 'silkstone' that was once marketed (well into the 1960s I believe) with 'A Cambrock Product' or something similar on the box. A telephone call to Companies House in the UK verified that there was never a company called 'Cambrock' registered with them, so it evidently referred to the product. 'Cambrian' means from or related to Wales, so Cambrock could simply be a combination of CAMBrian and ROCK. What has this got to do with a welsh thuringian? Well, the silkstone is very much like a thuringian - it looks like one, it is the same type of slate honestone and it performs just like one - not like the best of the select thuringians, but extremely good nevertheless. They perform much better than the grey Yellow Lake stones (I have a friend who has researched them in depth and has pin-pointed four different types all called Yellow Lake Oilstone). To my knowledge, no-one has ever pinpointed where in the British Isles the Silkstone came from, but from the 'Cambrock' name I am inclined to believe it came from Wales.
What I have never come across is an old reference to a Welsh Thuringian - that name seems to be newly coined.
Regards,
Neil
Well Neil,
I have a Yellow Lake Oilstone, and its nowhere close to a thuringian and its not grey mostly black, from england in the box.
Nevertheless for me its a wonderful pre finisher and im sure as we all know its highly possible that some yellow lake are finer
then others, perhaps he found an excellent batch!!
Martin - Yellow Lake Oilstone was just a name, not a type of hone. As I said above, my friend has four distinct types of hone, all different, sold under the Yellow Lake brand. Of course they varied in finishing characteristics. What I said was the silkstone performed '...much better than the grey Yellow Lake Oilstone..." meaning that the silkstone was a better finisher - I wasn't advocating the Yellow Lake hones, but talking about something else completely! You have got hold of the wrong end of the stick, somehow...
Regards,
Neil
Now now, if word gets out that this stone has anything to do with the silkstone, the price from 40GBP will go 100GBP and possibly higher. Even if it doesn't have anything to do with the silkstone.
In all fairness to the seller, I think he means it's a welsh slate comparable to the thuringian. A lot of people don't like to hear the word slate when talking about a stone because it sounds like a dirty gritty word but some slates make magnificent whetstones.
I'm now waiting for the Pakistani Sheffield razors, because you know quarter hollow grind is just not sexy enough.
This seller is selling his stones for years, it's the first time I'm aware of that he used the words Welsh and thuringian together. Most of his other stones are named welsh slate or something like that. In the hone selling business, slate hone doesn't mean it's actually slate. It never does (shale are most of the "slate" hones we use). Also, there would definitely be slate quarries in the thuringian region. Thuringian slate doesn't mean Thuringian celebrated hone.
He says in the ads something along the lines that "that's what people are calling them - not my words".
I think he calls it a Welsh slate or something.
Ya, between this thread and the LM DT thread I bit the bullet and ordered the 3 stone set. Thought I was gonna avoid the HAD after I got my coticule:gaah:
This thread tempts me, but, my collection with the last stones I ordered, one thuringian and one Charnley is complete. My HAD days are over!
just received the greenish-black hone the highest grit hone AJ sells today !
I am interested in this new stone Welsh Thuringian the price seems great! Is this stone much better than the Lyn Melynllyn?
Based solely on scratch pattern, and arm hair testing - it's noticeably better, but not a quantum leap.
JMO...
I got one of the three stone sets. Have not had a chance to get too involved with them but I took a couple razor that had nice edges, nothing special just nice, and played around a bit with the Welsh "Thuringian". It noticeably improved the edges.
I'd be quite keen to know if this one would improve the edge from a 12K naniwa
The two razors I used on the Welsh stone were previously finished on a Naniwa 12k SS.
Bought a welsh slate llyn stone from him. He stated it can be lapped in 2 hours. I lapped it under 2 hours. I asked him for a bit of a slurry stone, he had put that in the box free of charge. Stone is a huge beast. Finishing my razors on her, then chromium, then stropping, great shaves. Highly recommended!!! If you want pics check out my other thread about this stone. She has copper green spots, being beautiful in her makeup...:D
Have a nice day
Has anyone done a side by side shave-tested finish with this Welsh slate hone against, say - an Escher or vintage Thuri that is known to deliver a premium finished edge?