I think this is a CF

It was sold to me as a possible Charnley Forest. It wasn't overhyped and it wasn't expensive. It seems to finish as well as my B/G Thuri which I have on good authority is a very good Thuri. It slurries paisty grey which dries white but the stone is grey green. There are a few maybe three or four very small veins of red can't be seen in the photos. The speckles are evenly distributed around the stone and don't seem to affect honing. The only picture I have seen of a Tam is much more mottled with dark specks this stone shows the specks as quite clear little pin spots. There are two very small flake chips on one end the rest of the stone is smooth squared.
It will self slurry after many passes but only lightly.
It has a similar clink sound when the spine hits as the Thuri but then so does my PHIG. Any educated guesses from these poor photos? I may have to send this to a "authorized honemeister" for evaluation.

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you'll need better pics cant make the color out. if it does self slurry it would be hard to belive its a CF but again you need better pics

Hard to tell with the lighting in those pictures but I don't think it is a cf stone.

Does not look like CF to me either.

you hear a thuri ... it's a really clear sound of a shale. 'll take a razor and
you hear a kalren slate. It is unique

CF's, mine anyways, is rather hard stones & will not generate a slurry from any form of "normal" honing...it would take something like a diamond card or hone to generate a slurry. If you have a Arkansas stone see if the spine sound is similar. It's a good looking stone, but can you feel that inclusion in the top right pic?

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CF's, mine anyways, is rather hard stones & will not generate a slurry from any form of "normal" honing...it would take something like a diamond card or hone to generate a slurry. If you have a Arkansas stone see if the spine sound is similar. It's a good looking stone, but can you feel that inclusion in the top right pic?

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Well maybe a slurry is too strong a word. The clear water has something in it after honing it might just be swarf from the razor. To raise a true slurry I use a diamond hone 600 grit. I don't generally use a slurry as I am never in much of a hurry.

The stone is smooth to my fingernail and nothing you can see on the stone can be felt. I don't have an ARkie. I think it is slate. The two small chips have a pattern like slate.

ok much better pics i dont belive its a CF

This stone has become famous the last couple of weeks, if it's the one from ebay. It doesn't look like a Charnley. Those flake chips from the description sounds like Novaculite, but if you think they look like a slate type, I don't know. I wouldn't say it's definitely not a Charnley, but whatever it is, it's an interesting specimen. It kind of looks like the unknown stones that again look like Llyn Idwals or TOSs but we can't be sure what they are. Good luck.

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This stone has become famous the last couple of weeks, if it's the one from ebay. It doesn't look like a Charnley. Those flake chips from the description sounds like Novaculite, but if you think they look like a slate type, I don't know. I wouldn't say it's definitely not a Charnley, but whatever it is, it's an interesting specimen. It kind of looks like the unknown stones that again look like Llyn Idwals or TOSs but we can't be sure what they are. Good luck.

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I didn't know it had fame. I did post before I got the stone and Llyn Idwals had come up. It doesn't look anything like Tams I can find photos. I just discovered a couple of more fine red lines....one across the end which runs down both sides of the stone.

I put it under a very bright white light(halogen) and the top and bottom surfaces are both washed with faint pink and the slightly green tint of the stone is quite clear.

I got a green CF. I will see if can get these features to show in a photo.

The pink color doesn't photo. The veins can be seen as well as the grain structure.

I'd say it was a Lyn Idwal. I've never seen as CF like that, and I've seen many. A good LI can be as good as a CF.

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I'd say it was a Lyn Idwal. I've never seen as CF like that, and I've seen many. A good LI can be as good as a CF.

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Well I have seen none. Do they typically have pink coloration or red veins?

It doesn't look like a CF to me - more like a grecian-type LI - there isn't a great deal between them. Maybe the LIs are somewhat harder, but a good LI is as good as a good CF, or so I've found. Both are novaculites.

The red colouration is hard to describe if you haven't seen it first hand. It is a type of chatoyance effect that certain stones have - an almost three dimensional effect when you get the illusion of looking past the surface of the stone, and not even all CFs have this.

In the end analysis they are all individual stones, and they got made by nature, not a conveyor belt with dosed-out amounts of minerals, so even the extremes of one type of hone can be hard to distinguish and allocate - even within the same family. If it's a good finisher, its a good finisher - what else matters?

Regards,
Neil

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If it's a good finisher, its a good finisher - what else matters?

Regards,
Neil

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That is my joy. It seems to finish better than I do. My search was for a stone from which I could obtain edges like the Escher was giving but without breaking my modest bank. I believe I can now release the Escher back into world where it can reach its full potential. I just love this razor stuff.

Thank you Mr. Miller I am confident I have a finishing hone.

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Well I have seen none. Do they typically have pink coloration or red veins?

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Like your stone clearly has? LIs don't typically have it, but I have seen them with orange spots.

Find discussion of names and photos very interesting. I also find trying to determine what a stone may or may not be very difficult from just photos and discussions. It may be may lack of knowledge but I'm very leery of eBay stones with 'names'. Only buy reasonably priced 'no name' ones.

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Like your stone clearly has? LIs don't typically have it, but I have seen them with orange spots.

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Thanks. If the LI and CF give comparable results which equal my Escher I have attained my goal. The name isn't really a concern to me.

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Find discussion of names and photos very interesting. I also find trying to determine what a stone may or may not be very difficult from just photos and discussions. It may be may lack of knowledge but I'm very leery of eBay stones with 'names'. Only buy reasonably priced 'no name' ones.

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I agree. But it is logical someone whose experience includes large numbers of hones could evaluate by appearance alone and be at least reasonably accurate whereas someone like myself with limited experience is shooting in the dark. This stone was reasonably priced and not clearly named but rather it was presented as a finisher (possibly a CF) by someone with more experience than I.

The stone works well. The basis for high prices on Eschers I believe can be found in the consistency with which they perform ergo find a labeled Escher you won't do much better whereas the issue with other stones is variable performance and questionable identity which makes predictability nearly impossible which is a good reason to use a synthetic stone to finish.

I can find little difference in the end result between it and my Escher but this could easily be caused by my lacking skill. Having said that, the razor's I have honed have pleased me and a few others with sharp edges and smooth shaves. Really there is no other outcome I would prefer. I am learning a PHIG as well but I find the slow cutting to bothersome.

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Thanks. If the LI and CF give comparable results which equal my Escher I have attained my goal. The name isn't really a concern to me.



I agree. But it is logical someone whose experience includes large numbers of hones could evaluate by appearance alone and be at least reasonably accurate whereas someone like myself with limited experience is shooting in the dark. This stone was reasonably priced and not clearly named but rather it was presented as a finisher (possibly a CF) by someone with more experience than I.

The stone works well. The basis for high prices on Eschers I believe can be found in the consistency with which they perform ergo find a labeled Escher you won't do much better whereas the issue with other stones is variable performance and questionable identity which makes predictability nearly impossible which is a good reason to use a synthetic stone to finish.

I can find little difference in the end result between it and my Escher but this could easily be caused by my lacking skill. Having said that, the razor's I have honed have pleased me and a few others with sharp edges and smooth shaves. Really there is no other outcome I would prefer. I am learning a PHIG as well but I find the slow cutting to bothersome.

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To me it looks like very nice LI. With those "red veins". I have seen some which were made by use of oil and swarf which seeped into them and coloured them. Often when you degrease your hone the colouring stays.