OK fellahs...Naaaamme thaaat hooooone!!!!

So here she is. A very hard olive green stone. Not similar to novaculite. Not similar to slates I've had. The deep scratches visible in some of the photos were 36 grit sil carb derived. The stone was reasonably flat, but it finds DMT's mildly amusing. This little black stone came with it. I know that doesn't mean they're a matched pair, but I do think they go together. It's a water stone. At this early stage in owning it, it seems to be a finisher. It doesn't smell like anything. I mean nothing. I even went so far as to risk silicosis with a light whiff of straight dust..nothing. Anybody got a guess? And sorry to Martin, who will be dissatisfied with my photos. lol. They're macro...but my camera is something like 15 years old. That might be the issue. lol

That's a le petite turkish water o'ayr forest hindostan kiita renge o'cule.

Nice score, those are rare.

James.

I feel targeted, but nevertheless your pics are good! Im thinking it could be a Lyn Idwall......

Evil Betty

A better view of the side of the hone would help me guess! Hindustan from the side if I am really seeing layers and they are not just a reflection of my ignorance!
~Richard

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Originally Posted by Geezer

A better view of the side of the hone would help me guess! Hindustan from the side if I am really seeing layers and they are not just a reflection of my ignorance!
~Richard

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I was thinking that as well Richard but never heard of a Hindostan that is Olive green?
So Justin does it have layers on the sides?

You know what it reminds me more of than anything else? A ceramic barber hone. If not for the trapezoidal shape, and totally not standard size of the thing, I'd say that's what it was. I bought it thinking it was the top half of a coticule. I had imaginings of a nice paddle hone, with this guy as the centerpiece.

I guess it could be an LI..I really don't know. I've only seen a few pictures here in the forums. Never held or honed on one.

It's pretty consistent for color. It's got a few darker swirls in there in a few spots. No layering that I can see. No saw marks, no chisel marks, no markings at all. I thought they used LI's with oil though. This stone didn't have any oil on it at all.

JimmyHAD thinks it kryptonite, but that can't be, cause I feel fine. :p

The stones accompanying it are hindostan(I think), blue thuri, and a coticule. The possible hindos could also just be layered sandstone. They don't match any UK description for hindostan that I've read, aside from the layering.

what are the dimensions?
This one does not look like a Jnat at all. Jnats have saw marks on the sides.
Test it with some acid (just a drop) if it is a synthetic of some kind, if it is it will start to foam at the spot and smell.

Your probably right, sure would explain why its so hard to lap.
The stone with the layers is a Hindostan.

8.25 inches long, 3/8 thick, and then 1 5/8 wide at one end, and 1 15/16ths at the other. Does it matter what kind of acid? I don't happen to have any on hand. :)



But for clarification: I made no mention of japanese honing stones in this thread(till now). This is just a stone I found, and thought we might have some fun guessing about it. Since I've been thinking on a Jnat, ofc my mind would wander in that direction. Just like when I posted a coticule and asked if it looked like a CF. I wanted a CF, so suddenly everything looked like a CF. lol. Anyhow, thanks for playing fellahs! I do know that there is NOTHING about the appearance of this stone that suggests Jnat, other than the color. Since Jnats seem to come in most colors under the sun, you must give me that concession. :)

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8.25 inches long, 3/8 thick, and then 1 5/8 wide at one end, and 1 15/16ths at the other. Does it matter what kind of acid? I don't happen to have any on hand. :)



But for clarification: I made no mention of japanese honing stones in this thread(till now). This is just a stone I found, and thought we might have some fun guessing about it. Since I've been thinking on a Jnat, ofc my mind would wander in that direction. Just like when I posted a coticule and asked if it looked like a CF. I wanted a CF, so suddenly everything looked like a CF. lol. Anyhow, thanks for playing fellahs! I do know that there is NOTHING about the appearance of this stone that suggests Jnat, other than the color. Since Jnats seem to come in most colors under the sun, you must give me that concession. :)

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Try lime away, or acid etch for metal if you happen to have that.
May be hot vinegar but I am not sure if it is strong enough.

I couldn't figure it out at first but this post reminded me of something.

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Are you sure it's a natural? I find the shape a bit odd, straight at one end and perfectly round at the other.

No Piet. I believe we've worked ourselves around to the notion that it's most likely a barber hone. Just a really big barber hone..of odd shape. :)

There are larger barber hones out there I have an 8 inch Swaty myself I think your one guess might have been even more accurate then anything else when you said "I had imaginings of a nice paddle hone, with this guy as the centerpiece" :)

Here are side and end views guys. They don't really tell me anything. Most barber hones I've had were more smooth that this, but it's just as likely this stone has seen sandpaper some time before I got hold of it. I think I'll probably still put it on a paddle, or at least a base of some kind. I would say another reason to think barber hone would be that excessive use(20-90 strokes) causes a wire edge. :)

Nice close up pics! nothing wrong with that olde camera.

After using acid to test for foam and smell, I'm once again at square one. The stone did not react to the acid in any meaningful way.

Has anyone seen a trapezoidal ceramic hone before? It seems all of our guesses force us to ignore other facts about the stone in order to make them.

It can be a barber hone because they made long barber hones, it has a perfectl rounded end, and it looks very much like one. While it cannot be a barber hone if we've not seen a trapezoidal ceramic hone before. If we dismiss the shape as an effect of sandpaper, then we must also dismiss the lack of chisel marks or saw marks, which would indicate it's a natural stone of some sort. Sandpaper being equally efficient at shaping, as smoothing saw marks.

If we say it's not thick enough to be a real stone, then we must assume all those vintage labeled UK slates are also not natural stones, because they aren't thick enough.

I've not heard any opinions on the look of the side and end views. It seems like it's been shaped by something. While the surface reaction to 150 grit sandpaper is only a mild polishing effect. Which means the sides were finished with something of much lower grit, in order to make that pattern. It's too uniform to be an effect of rattling around in a toolbox imo. And I've never seen a barber hone with the pattern displayed on the sides. No matter how beat up it was.

Anyways, I guess it's just another unknown in the pot. Thanks for all the thoughts fellahs.

Did you try the acid you used on another barber hone to see the reaction?

Aha! I did not. Good point! Perhaps the acid isn't the right type. hmm.

If it's not synthetic could it be a fine sandstone?

I'm not sure Piet. I only have my suspected hindostans to compare against. They are absolutely sedimentary stones. This one..ehh..idk. Seems most like a barber hone still really. I have used it again, and failed to develop that wire edge. So I must assume for now that that little bit of info was premature in declaring. I'm going to continue lapping it, until I've got a flat surface. It is not as fine as thuringian..for now. I took a razor previously shave ready, and did a hundred on this stone. The edge was noticeably less sharp. While a hundred strokes on plain water thuri brought it right back. While I've had several barber hones, I've never made concerted efforts to get the most out of them. I can't build any swarf on this stone. If that helps. Even a lot of strokes doesn't darken the surface at all. If I use the little rubber stone on it, then I can do some cutting. Otherwise, it seems a fairly mild cutter, while still not capable of producing a great edge. This could all change if ever I get it perfectly flat. So for now, I'm still pretty sure it's a barber hone. But I have doubts as well.

Brown Escher :P

For anyone that might be interested. I have honed a couple razors using this stone as a replacement for the Norton 4/8. It's been working wonderfully so far. I use the little stone it came with as a slurry stone. And since it's working well that way, I guess that's it's purpose. BUT, I'm only two razors into it, and this stone still has that "new old car" smell to it. I know Lynn, and probably many others, have used barber hones with slurry and gotten good results as well. So...it's still a forever unknown I guess. Anyways, I'm more than happy with what it's doing so far. Pretty cool.

The color looks like a Frictionite, and they did make some larger hones. The small stone also looks like the deglazer that came with Frictionites. It wasn't for slurry, just to rub off the swarf-shine the hone can acquire with lots of dry use.

Ahh well that's interesting. Hmm..In the instance that this is one of those, I've used the deglazer inappropriately, with good sharpening results. lol. Maybe someone else is willing to try it out, and see if it works with a Frictionite. But...something tells me I won't find any takers. lol. I never knew they included such a stone with frictionites. Thanks. :)

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I think it's belgian.