Hello, I bought this stone from 330 mate on ebay for 24$. Can you please read what kind of stone is? Is hard, fast , I don't think is a finisher, but I did not used to much.
Thank you
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Hello, I bought this stone from 330 mate on ebay for 24$. Can you please read what kind of stone is? Is hard, fast , I don't think is a finisher, but I did not used to much.
Thank you
Most likely, it's a Bunchin (文鎮).
It's Japanese for "paperweight."
If you have a magnifier, look at those inclusions. This stone may not be suitable for razors. I have one of his alleged Shobudani stones, and it's pretty much all toxic lines and inclusions, some of which look like pumice under magnification. Yours may be better, but I'd give the thing a good, close examination under high magnification before trusting it with a razor.
Thank you for your input. I lapped the stone again, there are no toxic spots or inclusions, I run a razor over, and is very smooth. I will check more and let you know.
I can't remember the exact details from the translations but it is basically 330mates trade mark name(Fujibato) and address and so on.
The stone itself could be anything. He sells mostly Nakayama, but who knows what they really are, he picks them up around some mines from piles that lie around.
Thank you Stefan
Just what you needed ...... another J-nat ....... the kanji says, " There's one born every minute !" ............. :rofl2:
Forgive the poor attempt at levity ....... couldn't resist ...... :chapeau
330 mate.....well at least you got off cheap.
Richard
I know there is a g amble with 330 Mate, I bought a nice Okudo Karasu for 70, from him, is my best finisher to date, so another 24, even if is just a paper weight , it will increase the average a little, RAD is a very tough , I hope you guys will find a cure in the very near future. Best regards
I just order 2 from him , will see what will be theresult
Several years ago I bought one from that seller. What I got was crap and I complained. I gave one opportunity, on the seller's honor, to exchange for one of proper quality. The replacement that I got was of very good quality--so much so that I was quite surprised.
I send him a mesage that im a sraight razor user and i whant a fine , consistant and not scratchy stone . I howp hesend a good one . i f he did so i will get some more if not i will sell it to some knife guy for a bargain and never look back again =
I will keep on touch . I know exactly what is a good razor stone ha ha ah
I got one from him and waiting on another. The first one was good, though it has a crack, I find it's not toxic. Because he cocked up the auction, he sent me a big piece of lyo nagura as well, which I find very useful.
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Rusen, I also sent him a message, saying the same thing. He basically ignored it.. I asked for a harder stone for razors, but he sent this level 8 (at best) and although it's good, it is not my preferred finisher. Still a great deal and the stone is very fast and fine enough to do the entire mid-range. The size is the only issue. Will post back when the other one arrives.
[QUOTE]Because he cocked up the auction,[/QUOTE????????
explain please
As many others I bought one from that seller in my early honing days.
I never repeated that.
Bids misteriously disappeared from autions, got given ebay's "second chance" and stuff like that... happened both times. Not going to lay any accusations, but, you know... it just seemed very suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
I've said this to a couple of friends before, if bidding on those "lottery stones", don't go into a bidding war. You dont know what you're getting anyway and he has them running all the time.
Ha ha it seems that the guy is ick and tired from us - the razor users . Here is our coresponence abbout the stone
I have to admit that he is a nervous , but seems honest guy .
Quote:
Dear 330mate_com,
Sir i canot afford better stone so ,if you think that there is some fine junk stone ,out there in your stock that is ok .
I am not expecting ,ultra good stone and hard stone . I whanted to try a fine grit japanese stone.
I have deep respect to your job as a miner , and i know you are very bussy .
if you think that there is someting for me that may work send it . if you whant to refund this isok also . I have trust in your choise sir .
I did not have bad feelings and i thank you very much for the time spend on answering me .
- ruse-rusen
From: 330mate_com
To: ruse-rusen
Subject: Re: I have a question about using my item or I want to send the seller a message: ruse-rusen sent a message about JAPANESE whetstone av. 500g size 70+old NAKAYAMA H2~5 razor chef knife planes #201440457448
Sent Date: Oct-06-15 08:16:09 PDT
Dear ruse-rusen,
Hello have you ever read the ad??
The quotation is really different.
this is random hand picked up JUNK stones ac too cheap.
Consider well
No thank you about your JOB.
May I revoke the deal and refund all?
I seem I cannot complete your order .
Thank you
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さゞれ銘砥株式会社 [330mate, Inc]
〒616-8272 京都府京都市右京区梅ヶ畑猪ノ尻町6-1
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I never bothered to go into a full blown conversation with him. I only sent a short note on the PP payment saying "I use these on kamisori, please send a harder stone if at all possible." Then I end up reading that note again when the package arrives, on the customs form. Then I unpack it and it's a level 7+, or 8 stone. Oh well, not like I expected any different. What does annoy me is that he says this junk is "mostly level 5".
Anyway, I cant say it would surprise me if he gets annoyed. In fact, he probably thinks a lot worse about us. After all, good japanese stones go for hundreds and thousands of dollars, yet here we are, requesting a "good" stone for less than $30. I mean, the nerve, right! [emoji23]
I've bought several stones from him and I've gotten at least what I've paid for every time, BUT...
I've never bought any of the stones that are $20.
He does *not* like conversing about the shortcomings of his stones, and sometimes he values things on stones that I don't think are that great.
However, both him and metal master, I've found when they show a hard stone that looks like it has a lot of cutting power due to the iron flower on the surface, when you get it from them, that's what you get.
I buy tool stones of those types.
I've never bought a stone from either one that's less than $85, though.
If we step back for a second and observe what's in japanese natural stones, there's a lot of silicon dioxide and some natural aluminum oxide. Something like 60-65% of the former and 15-20% of the latter. The range that the stones vary in is fairly narrow, so I'd have to assume that it's how the aluminum oxide is situated in the stone or how the silica is situated or held together (or maybe the shape of the particles, I don't know). All of the japanese stones i've ever gotten have cut steel hardness 58-60 just fine. All of them have struggled on steel that is 65+ hardness.
Cheap stones tend to be soft and the ones that aren't soft tend to be kind of skippy or scratchy.
Not advocating that folks should run to fujibato and buy $100 stones, but I wouldn't write them off for everything, especially if he's got a slice of okudo or something, and it's a decent price and the visual evidence shows an iron flower without a lot of stone slurry diluting it.
IF I were going to a seller to get one single razor hone, it wouldn't be fujibato. I'd go to aoki takeshi, alex or so or someone who sells stones and uses razors. But I'll bet if fujibato actually says a stone of his is good for razors, you could get a razor sharp with it. If he doesn't, then I wouldn't assume you can, or he'd be selling it with the label that it finishes razors.
I learned that lesson with aoki, too, buying an ozuku that he said is good for knives and chisels, one that looked smooth. Who ever heard of a smooth ozuku stone that's not good for razors? Not me, but the stone I got is a prefinisher for razors and a fabulous hard stone for tools. Lesson learned. After I got over being butthurt that my stone doesn't finish a razor well, I put it in the shop and learned quickly just how fantastic it is on chisels, both western and japanese.
One last comment (Based on what follows, I guess it turns out not to be the last comment) -suppose you buy one of these $50 specials from fujibato and it sucks. If it's hard and scratchy, use it to remove rust from things (not kidding about that), if it's too soft, use it for kasumi finish on knives or just on knives in general, or cut it apart and make tomonagura out of it (which should be a stone a little softer, anyway).
That's my advice.
I buy stuff from alex, kuroda (metal master), nakaoka (fujibato) and aoki takeshi on a fairly regular basis.
I ordered this last week from fujibato just as a risk purchase (you know, sort of buy something to see how it turns out). 330mate 天然石 石 天然石販売 さゞれ銘 本山 世山石 山城銘 I think by the iron flower on the surface and the fact that the jigane on the plane iron he uses didn't rip particles off and make a slurry, that it will be a decent stone worth the $90 that it cost with shipping. Would it finish a razor? Probably not. I ordered it for tools.
All of that said, if you're the kind of buyer who likes nice conversation and to be catered to, fujibato may answer that with calling you a "little girl" (seen that one before :) )
Could not agree more with all of that. I have been tempted by some of his larger hones, but now I have a different plan, so saving money for something special.
Anyhoo... here's a photo of one of the cheapo stones and another of its flaw (well, one of the more important flaws anyway). The crack does not hurt, he made sure of it and I am also paying attention to it after lapping, to make sure it stays only a visual issue. This is the stone I got when I sent the note "for razors...." Maybe he actually gave it some consideration. Honing feedback is very pleasant, velvety smooth, not scratchy at all. You can tell it's a softer stone purely by the feedback. It's crazy fast (in removing steel) on tomo and as you dilute it, it slows down, until the blade starts sticking to it. Nevertheless this is a slow process and probably another important flaw, next to the size and shape, which drives the price very low. But when you reach that point, you are honing on water already, the steel starts to get that mirror finish... and as you ease on the pressure, it starts skipping and sticking even more, like some coticules. In the end, the edge is good for a shave, but slightly aggressive. I haven't figured out exactly why that is.. whether it's "too sharp", or toothy, or just not where a finer stone takes it.
In any case, I actually love this stone and my only regret is that it isn't a bit larger. Then again, if it were larger, it would have cost 5x what I paid for it, at least. Nowdays I normally use it to quickly pass through the mid-range and then probably turn to a faster and finer finisher.
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Is that Asagi stone and from Tomae . Those lines and colored spots , arent they typical for Nakyama mine and for the tomae strata . Or im mistaking .
Are those black spots bad for the edge , looks like a hard stone buy the way
I've read/heard Alx say that most all of the stones today are Tomae.. but obviously I can't be sure about this one. Asagi, yes, the color matches as far as I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Nothing on the surface hurts the edge, I've tested this one plenty of times. As for the hardness, like I say, maybe 7 to 8. I wet it lightly only a minute before I took the picture and you can see how it absorbed the water.. so not too hard.
If your stone (an inexpensive one) has a crack that becomes an issue, just take some silicon and affix it to a base, or cut it up for tomonagura. Either way, there will be something useful to do with it.
WEH Super Finishing Natural Whetstone Kyoto Nakayama | eBay
is it that what i think it is or im diluting my self , guys
A lot of the items of that seller sound almost too good to be true.. But then he has some more expensive items and it makes me doubt the quality of the less expensive ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
I looked a while ago and actually would have probably bought a few things, but the shipping cost has always been an issue.... dont like when sellers overestimate it.
Japanese has another system for grading goods . They have some ausome razors on 10 bucs and a cheap old nagura .This seller , is new ,but it is very nice guy . I dont think he is aware of the prises and things
I first ask him for a economy shiping and he sais ,that there isnt so in Bulgaria
I pay 26 dolars for the shiping and say him ,that that there is a economical grade shiping here.I told him thati buy goods and last stone , from Metalmaster ,on economical shiping =
He was send the stone expedited , but he appolojaise for the misunderstanding and refund a 16 dolars from 26 for that that he tell me that there isnt such . I didnt expect that , just wake up and see a refund and appologie letter
It is cool guy thought
Most of those small stones have condition issues that make them inexpensive. If the seller says they are good for razors, hopefully they are (they probably are).
If he came out with a 2kg stone that was perfectly square and cleanly cut and said it was a top class razor hone for $50, then I'd really worry about it.
Most of those are koppa or mostly used up, but they very well may be decent razor hones.
Before buying one, I'd look closely at shape and make sure none had cracks across the top, were too thin, too small or had odd voids under the stone surface.
Also, if you look at the weights, a lot of them are 300 grams or so, which means there really isn't much stone there.
A thin one that can be glued to a base but is otherwise regular might be a good way for someone to try jnats, but the trouble with jnats is that when you buy a small stone to try a type, there's no guarantee a big stone will be the same as your small stone.
When I bought the last few items from Japan, the sellers told me that the economy tracked shipping is no longer possible, because of OUR regulations. This means that goods cannot be sent cheap with tracking anymore (that used to be around $10 US for up to 500g).Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Not really sure what the situation is right now - one of the sellers sent the item without tracking and I received it (lucky!), the other sent it tracked, but I assume it cost the seller more.
I'm glad to hear you had a positive experience with the man. Perhaps I will purchase something, maybe do a collective order with the guys from Belgrade and split the shipping costs. We do that all the time... it's an excuse for an impromtu meet, which is always fun [emoji1]
Excellent post.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
Cheers, Steve
Well i send hones alround and i have one time tracked shipment lost so the guy from France ask to search for it . I was sending few non tracked shipings and never had problem .
i had a thin piece of Kiita my first Jnat and it is 4 - 5 mm thick and i glue it to Padle
So i finish alround 12 razors withowt vizible decreasing of the thickness . I guess thet Alex Gilmore is very right in his videos that the DMT isnt so bad to Jnats
Some NOS Jnats in boxes are 1 sm or a 12 mm Thick as brand new
I think that there is plenty of life in a 1 sm layer of Jnat and if used properly i can last maaaany years
Full size stones sre for the grandsons ha ha ah
Deamn seems like my 2 Jnats are in customs . I was houping not to pay another 20 VAT but .....
I gues that it is a hole day lost and another 30 dolars
I get both 2 stones and they are finishers , very good .
I am now sure that other 2 are jnats also . very good and hard stones .
Pictures or it did not happen! Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Cheers, Steve
I was going to say that same thing, but the darn Tapatalk wouldn't post it! LOL [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve56
Please tell us what stones you purchased, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RusenBG
Those are my new 2 Jnats Nakyama both . nakyama iro tomae and Nakyama kiita asagi
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Color comparition betwenn them and my new Swedenstein padle - you know they sell them for 3 dolars somethimes and i canot resist
My first 2 Jnats - Kiita and Karasu and the hole family together
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The end right stone is the one ibought from a seller on Ebay and it is ultra hard , jasper like , amazing finisher
I can hardly raise slurry from it wit my worn 220 DMT - it takes a minute and more to raise light slurry . Does not take watter at all .White - welloy slurry very fast and brutal cutter slurry darkens in secinds and very fine No Su or small holes , some very small goma seed patern Top class
The secong from right to left is a Metalmaster stone , ill say that is between 3.5 and 4 but levell for is very generous - he overrate the stone . It is very smooth and fine , drinks watter like crazy . Very good prefinisher snd can finish a razor with certain technique . Very fast on medium hardness and stainless steels , and on carbon steels
Not so fast on Yapi razor steel and rusian steels .Pretty esy to cut with my bandsaw wood chain so i cut a tomo nagura out of it . I canot scratch the first stone unfortunately ha ha ah to cut tomo from it . Welloy slurry ,with a pink hint or a pinkish - welloy color , pasty and smooth slurry , and very user frendly , as sir Alex like to say . It is load with ultra fine Su and it is hole Nashiji patern
Carasu is fast and smooth prefinisher , brutal stone cut every kind of steel good and can finish a razor very good
It has white - slurry with a gray tint in it , very good and agresive stone It har some ultra fine su al oner the carasu stone
The last kiita is thrue levell 4 and it is very pure and fast stone - cuts every steel and it is amazing pre and finisher stone . It is 4 mm thick so it is glued to a padle board .Welloy slurry and very agresive cutter .It has slight nashiji patern at one end and a ultra fine Su on the surface They are both with carasu old stock stones i gues
Looking good, thanks for the explanation, too!
