She can use my knives any day!
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She can use my knives any day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2oFBgyM-sM
What techniques do you guys use to get a knife hair popping sharp?
Are yours dull so she can't hurt herself? :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Patience on the lower grits (DMT 325 and Shapton 1K) and I finish on the 4K. Stropping with newspaper and it will cut arm hair effortlessly. I don't bother with 8K and 16K, such a fine edge won't last for 2 days on our mid-end kitchen knives. The 4K edge, especially stropped, will do just fine, unless we're making sushi.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChopperStyle
I was yarning to a mate of mine yesterday and he asked if my pocket knife was sharp (a really silly question), but I pulled it out, tested the edge and replied that I had used it on the farm so it wasn't scary sharp, but sharp enough. He looked at me, and said, "Your sharp enough is downright scary sharp in a normal persons opinion!" I promptly told him he wasn't normal, and he promptly replied back that he wasn't scared of m edges either. :)
Mick
Hilarious. Most folks settle for the factory edge on the knives they use. Honing razors has definitely raised the bar for what I consider "sharp."Quote:
Originally Posted by MickR
I find this weird lol. I trained as a chef before I was a code monkey and was always led by the mantra just sharp enough to cut is a dangerous knife.... A kitchen knife should slice with no resistance at all. If that's too sharp for you then you dont belong in a kitchen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChopperStyle
Geek
I agree Geek, a knife should be as sharp as a skilled hand can make it and maintained in that condition. My own mother throws the spanner into that idea though, as every time I re-hone her kitchen knives she always seems to cut herself. I don't understand why she does, but she just seems to do silly things right after I warn her to be careful this time. :)
Mick
I've seen "chefs" let the knife slide down their fingers/nails when cutting, if they would try that with my knives they would regret it.
Not the side of the blade against their knuckles, the edge!!!
There's some nuances in how they do that. My girlfriend works at a cooking school with various skilled chefs and they taught her that technique of making a "crab" with your hands and letting it guide the knife. She showed me how she does that with her nails against the blade without cutting her nails, when I repeat it, the knife grabs my nail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I suppose if the angle between nail and edge is lower than the honing angle, you're good, but I have not mastered that yet.
I use the Gatco system which is also a rod guide system. Only because I don't do well when honing by hand. However, now that I have started collecting razor equipment, I may have to try my hand at it again.
If she try that with my single edge knives it won't work and the thing is the "chefs" I were speaking of can't do it with a sharp knife at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurens
That speaks a lot about how sharp their knives are, guess that's what happens when you hone your knife skills on a dull knife.
Ah, yes, the single edge has one angle of 0 degrees on the left if it's a right-handed knife, I see why that won't work. And I know what "chefs" you speak of, the last time I used someone else's knife I had to force my way through a cucumber. Then again, my knives have been sharp for just over a year, when I started out honing them myself :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
The only knife I'll touch to my razor hones is my pocket knife (boker AK47 or AK74 which ever is bigger of the two)with the aftermarket milling and spring to make it an auto knife. Also I think the particular blade in mine has some "higher carbon" than most of the others because I can barely keep rust spots off of it. Anyway, to stop my knife info rambling, the reason I only sharpen my knife on my razor hones is because they cost soooo much more than the $20 smiths thing that pulls out of it's handle and I hope to hand them and my razors to my son and daughter one day and they can have something to.start with. When I started the straight razor journey I had already waisted better than 100 bucks before I found SRP and I bought everything new( I've never sent 1 razor to b honed I've done it myself). U guys know 500 and more b 4 u really get enough stuff to b able to shave. Anyway (trying to stay on topic) another reason is the majority of population are idiots when it comes to knives. But yeah they don't need anything above a 1k. If u can't get a knife that's gonna b bluntly hitting a counter or cutting board sharp enuff with a 1k you don't need to be around steel. And I found this out with my first pocket knife that I had sharpened on some DMT hones finishing on 1500. when a friend asked for.me to hand him a knife while we was working in the field (he was cutting tangled bailing twine out of the combine) anyway a slight slip and he almost died. He was airlifted to a hospital that is 20 minutes away by car. And got 126 stitches put in by a plastic surgeon. I was 12 and it literally scared me so bad I rubbed the edge of my knife on concrete for a few minutes and then threw it away. Yep screw a hole bunch of actually honing a knife for someone else and that's the last time I handed someone my pocket knife too.
We it the knife that got him in the accident, or was it a fall into the equipment.
I knew a kid that got caught in a running shredder of some sort (lost both arms if I recall correctly).
Farm equipment is dangerous.
Jody
Ohhh I would never hand my knife to someone... they would just screw it up lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swerve
Geek
Yep I figured that out.
How did he lose both arms and survive? That's a lot of potential blood loss.
It was the knife not the machine and the reason there were so many stitches was all of the muscles n all. Went straight across his forearm. He couldn't even try to make a fist for 2months
If you ask me, it was user, and not the knife.
Mick
I'm really surprised there is nobody else here with the wicked edge knife sharpener.. as much as we are edge junkies n all......:shrug:
You know, even though I have the edge pro with basically all the stones money can buy for that system, I have been contemplating a Wicked edge system as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Str8Shooter
The few times I wanted to hit buy, their website said there where quality issues in production and so there was a backlog on it.
I wasn't able to find out how long that backlog was, and with that happening a few times, I kinda lost my interest eventually
I really like the looks of the Wicked Edge system after watching the demos on it. I just need to put to rest for a while some of the home improvement ideas I've had long enough to get through this purchase of a " basic necessity". It would also help if I stayed out of the classified ads for a while too.
I'll put up the edge I get from my 1 x 30 belt sander with any of those slow, overpriced hand systems. :p
Which grits do you use on the belt sander? I'm thinking of using mine for bevel resetting on well-used kitchen knives, such as those of friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudMarineDad
I have the Edge Master system...it's a belt sander set-up. I can sharpen 20 knives, at least, in the time it would take me to sharpen 1 knife using stones. I don't care how skilled you are with stones, you'll not match the speed of this system. You may match the edge, but it will take you FAR longerQuote:
Originally Posted by Laurens
I use a 600, 800, and 1000 grit followed by a leather strop belt that goes on the machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurens
My J.A. Henckels kitchen knives are very sharp. Yes some of the other sharpeners can make them sharper yet but why do you want a knife that sharp? The edge just becomes weaker when you try and make it as sharp as a razor. Plus they take a long time with other methods. I can make a butcher knife extremely sharp in less than 5 minutes and that's including the time to change belts. I love this system.
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Originally Posted by Laurens
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Originally Posted by Wayne1963
There is a saying that you can have fast or you can have good. I'll take good. If you want, pm me and I will show you what the WEKS can do for your blade. All it will cost you is shipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudMarineDad
Paul
That is a handsome offer, thank you. Sending my Ikea knives from the Netherlands, however, seems pointless to me. They take a nice edge and I'm happy with the results, albeit with a bit of an uneven bevel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Str8Shooter
I disagree Paul. The Edgemaster System that Wayne uses is the same thing I have and the edge is fantastic. Fast does not mean lower quality.
Come at some of my knives with one of those belt sander things and we will no longer be friends...I've got a pretty fancy belt sander myself & I still won't use it for my edges. You may get there faster, but my edges will be better.
Define "better?"
The belt sander with fine grit belts also produces a convex edge which many believe is superior.
To each his own but for me I am sticking with using this Edge Master system as it produces a scary sharp knife in no time.
Razors need to be hand honed, knives do not.
Smooth even bevel & edge, no danger of damaging the steel, much less wear on the knives, and of course customizing the edge for the task at hand. Quality knives can handle a much sharper edge, heck, some Chef's hone to the same levels we do on our razors. My Wusthof's can handle around 4K, but not 8K. I have a couple custom blades than can handle 8K, but not 16K. No cords or batteries to worry with, stones last for many years, & you can stick a diamond stone in a ruck-sack/B.O.B (yep, got one in there).
Yes, I have seen those belt sander things demo'd at Cabela's when they came out. The demo guy asked me to see my knife, after the "which one?", he gave me/our small crowd his speech...I let him go on how superior those edges are. He then opened my knives, my Case trapper & folding CKRT Hissatsu. He examined the edges, refolded them both and handed them to me...asking for other knives in our little crowd of about a dozen people. He finished his show with knives he had there. You should have seen the wear on those demo knives, that alone convinced me that one of those belt sanding rigs would never touch my knives. I stuck around until he was done with his demo & he asked me about my "system" that I used to get my knives sharp. When I stated I freehand he looked at me like I was from Mars, then when I said you should check some of the edges on my straight razors he then realized he was barking up the wrong tree for sure. We parted ways...his feelings hurt & me chuckling to myself thinking about his superior system.
I like the hand type systems like Wicked Edge & the Lansky systems & can see a purpose in them with some knives. I'm sure you guys can see a purpose in the belt sander thingy, but it's not necessarily better. Kind of like our similar passion: straight razors. We can tell folks how much better a shave it is, but they still look at us like we are nuts.
Interesting read... My thoughts on it are this. Everyone has a system they like and would recommend. I personally believe that if your just starting out, get the best system you can afford and stick with it till you learn to really use it. Time and practice will give you the edge of sharpness you seek.
I might add: don't practise with your good knives, start out with oldies. It's easy to bust a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotishcavalir
I don't think the one you saw at Cabela's is what we are using. Was it that small hand-held belt sander? That's not the EdgeMasters system if it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by shooter74743
If there was a lot of wear on the knives then the guy obviously did not know what he was doing.
This is the system I use and there are many videos here about it. Knife Sharpening Kit
I did some research before buying it and found a well known, well respected blade-smith on a knife forum who highly recommended them.
Simply stating that its a belt sander with a 3600 rpm motor. My sander is a 1800 rpm motor with a vfd...still not touching my edges. Until a person starts to think about the steel in a blade, they will never reach a knifes full potential.
Reminds me of a paper wheel conversation i had with a knife guy once. He was convinced his system was better than stones. His edges would cut fine...a steak that is.
The best way I can explain this is to say that it stopping at 1000 grit is way down on my grit pyramid.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudMarineDad
I go from 1K to 1200 then 1600 then CrOx on balsa to CeOx to 0.125 diamond paste on balsa to 0.025 diamond paste on balsa.
I'm glad 1000 grit works for you but I need better then that.
Then there is a repeatable bevel level on both side of the blade at the same time. I don't have burr issue's like one sided systems do. With mine I go with a 12 degree bevel on elmax steel, 18 degree s30v and s90v. 20 degree for zdp-189, cpm-159 and vg-10. 440 and 1055 etc usually get 25 degree.
I can start from 50/80 grit, 100/200, 400/600, 800/1000. Where you stop I am just getting started. No matter how you slice it(pun intended), my edge's are a higher level then anything a belt sander will do.
This site has been a bad influence! ;) I have to back off from a "razors edge" with my EDC.
My Edge Master system produces FAR less wear than typical stone sharpening. I carry a near hollow ground Benchmade that I've had for years, and it looks like a factory edge. I believe I can keep this knife razor sharp and use it the rest of my life. I think a skilled knife sharpener can equal or exceed the edge I get with it, but the convenience and lack of metal removal makes it a good system.