My intent here is to get this answered and then this thread can die if it wants too. So as long as I have been a member you'de think by now I would know this but, since I stink at honing admittedly here goes........I only have my Naniwas 5k,8k and 12k . No paste creams or other implement other than my strop. I have been using Lynn's method on the vids and I swear I can get hair to shave off my arm just fine. I got a great smooth shave after the session but, during the shave there was a lot of pulling. Do I need to do a lot more work on that 12k to alleviate that ?I keep hearin less is more but I get the feeling I do need to do a lot more 12k work. I know the 5 and 8k are sharpening so that's the only thing I can figure is goin on ? I do not own a loop so that's not an option unfortunately.