thanks for the tip! I figured it might be too aggressive. I saw a video that gssixgun did in restoring a blade that he breadknifed. That is not what I am going to do, but he did at one point have a dull edge that he could run across his palm. similar to what I have. He then honed with the spine lifted to cut the flat edge into a sharper point. After that he set the bevel and so on. would that be worth a try on the soft ark. or should i just use a couple layers of tape and keep working at it till the bevel is set?