just got 1,5,8k naniwa super stones last week and got one razor honed with success but spent hours working on the second with no luck. i'm almost ready to sell me stones and give up! it's a clauss that had a little rust but i didn't think too bad. no matter what i did it didn't look like i was making any progress on the bevel setting. my first one i had to go back and start over (bevel set, then pyramid method). thought i figured out what i was doing wrong and fixed it. i looked for the glimmer of light on the edge(with a loupe) to disappear than proceeded with the 5 and 8k. couldn't ever get the light to disappear on this one. finally tried the thumbnail test and thought it felt like it was smooth. dull as can be. just seems like now progress is being made on the hones. even went back the DMT course. HELP. how do i know when the bevel is set? none of the "tests" seem to work and i'm running out of arm/leg hair to test it on.