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I am looking at picking up 3 Naniwa hones. I am choosing between the 800 Chosera, 1000 SS, 3000 SS, 5000 SS, 8000 SS, and 12000 SS. I was thinking of going with the 800 Chosera, 5000 Superstone, and 12000 Superstone. Would this combination of stones work well together? I currently use a King 1000, Norton 4k/8k, and finish on Coti, but want to move on to a full Naniwa Progression
The jump from 800 to 5K then 5k to 12K is a bit larger than usual, it may well be possible but it will require more work on each stone (especially if you’re working with harder steel or heavier grinds) .
Why are you looking to go to a full naniwa progression?
Why not keep the 4k/8k Norton and just add a 1k chosera and a 12k superstone? This would give a fast bevel setter, a very nice finishing stone and a manageable progression between the two.
I use a 1, 6, 13K Sigma Ceramic and a 5 and 8K Naniwa for my synthetic progression.
The shaves are great and good edges are easy to achieve. YMMV
Icic. I like the convenience of not having to soak the stones, and I am not a huge fan of the 4k side of the Norton. Keeping the Norton and buying the 800 chosera (the 1000 Chosera is out of stock where I'm looking to buy and the 800 is on sale) and 12k SS does sound intriguing. Will probably be selling the Coti to justify spending another 200 on hones :p
You can start with those and fill in the middle ground with Naniwa in the future. I agree with the pleasure of not having to soak stones, once I got a set of Naniwa, I've gone back to the Nortons only once and didn't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bspeer
I have the Naniwa SS 1k, 3k, 8 k and 12k. They don't need to be soaked IMO, and do their job, consistently (more than I do).
Funny, I cannot seem to move past my 4/8 Norton. It's getting really thin. Wish I could find another older one.
I do adore the Naniwa 1k and 12k and use them around the Norton. Perhaps I should pony up for the Nanis next time?
I do pyramids a lot and flipping the Norton has become a sure-fire habit!
That is the set make up that I would go for if funds allowed! I think that setup would work great! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Haroldg48
+1 - I traded the 1K King for the 1K Chosera and added the 12K Naniwa - keeping the Norton 4/8. if you want to make the transition in steps this would be a suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDalton
If the 1k Chosera isn't available, which of the 800 Chosera or 1000 SS do you think would be a better option?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJC
That's my set up. But I do have a 5k to play with if I need too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haroldg48
And, a Suehiro 20k for a finisher.(which is probably over the top analism)
I personally run with the Nani 1K SS to Norton 4/8k & finish on the Nani 12K SS this works great for me easy to find vids & info on all of them also
I wish had of got the Chosera 1k purely for a quicker bevel set
these are the cheapest I have found on line
hope this link works
Japanese Naniwa EBI Chosera Ceramic Whetstones 10K Uchigumori Nagura Stone | eBay
We must be brothers from another mother. I have had several tell me to stick with the Nani 1K over plunking down on the green monster, The Naniwa 1k (old, blue) has been tremendous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Substance
Is use the Nani SS 1, 3, 5, 8 and 12k. They work great for me and the learning curve was actually quite easy with them. Just recently added the 3k and am glad I did. Pretty satisfied with what I have and am not looking for anything else, at least for now.
I use the Naniwa SS 8k and 12k. I use DMT for coarser grits. The Naniwa has largely replaced my 8k DMT because of the nice, smooth finish it produces. It makes a nice transition to the 12k. I'm very happy with the Naniwa stones. Make sure you have something to lap the 12k with, it's quite soft.
i have naniwa 800/2k / 5k and 12k
The jump from 5k to 12 k isn't high....the 5k work very well and in fine mode. Some razor after 5k is ready because polish at good state the edge of razor. I love this stone.
there is a Difference between 8 and 12 but not so high ...for me better choice is 10k because is less expansive (if you find it).
Lap the 12k is pesky..because is soft and compact. I use to lap my naniwas the dmt coarse. Only for the 12 k is pesky because the small particles of 12 occlude quickly the dmt...so I clean dmt with a brush...but nothing special :D :D
My own personal progression Chosera 1k 5k Naniwa Snow White 8k my all time favourite stone, Naniwa 12k and finish on the Suehiro Gokumyo 20k, the step from 1k - 5k is not that big on the Chosera hones maybe because they are fast cutters the jump from 1k to 5k makes no difference.
So, performance wise, you will see no improvement over what you have, except the 12K.
The Chosera 1k is the Gold Standard, especially over the King, performance is the same though, I’d wait and buy the Chosera 1k, you will not regret it.
As far as the others, I have them all and still use the 4/8k combo stone on every razor. The 8K Norton is tough to beat.
I did recently buy a Nubatama, 1k and have the 4k on order. I love the 1k, it is fast and does not load up like the Chosera and surprisingly leaves a shallow scratch pattern.
I will see how the 4k works over the Norton, but will still keep the Norton 8K.
I would do a 1, 3-4, 8, 12K progression. You could do 5k but the low grits are where all the heavy lifting is done. The job of the 3k is removing deep 1k stria, you may find yourself spending a lot of time on a 5K.
It is exactly why I am going to the Nubatama, for a more aggressive stone for 1k stria.
Soaking is not an issue, just fill a plastic shoe box with water and drop in the stones, everybody in the pool, while I get everything else together, then lap all under running water and leave the Norton and the Nubatama in the water.
Use a squirt bottle, (old shampoo bottle) instead of a sprayer and hone on a rubber stone holder for height, on a fast food plastic tray to catch all the water and swarf. A squirt bottle gives plenty of water to keep the stones wet and wash off swarf.
If it were me, I’d buy the Chosera 1K and the 12k Super Stone… and with the Norton 4/8k, wear them out.
Meanwhile, save up for the 20k SG…
The wise ones will wade in shortly, but I'm thinking the 1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by bspeer
To paraphrase Glen, "there is honing and there is restoration"
"A" school of thought is below 1K you are restoring aka taking care of chips, chunks and dings...
And as long as you are touching up and/or the razor is not damaged you would be surprised what you can do with a 4/8 Norton, upright posture, raised elbow and a pure heart...
Smooth Honing...
+1, but we are supposed to reel them in slowly....Quote:
Originally Posted by Euclid440
The money you save by keeping the Norton 4/8k will be a nice start on your 20k SG fund...
I watched several videos on honing and the one with Lynn Abrams with the naniwa stones conveniced me to go with the naniwa stones. The 1-3/8 and the 12K to start with. I later ordered the Suehiro 20K and the 5K naniwa . with these I have honed all the razors I've come across. I did get lazy and order the naniwa 400 to restore and remove small chips out of the blades I get off eBay. I believe that if these stones are good enough for a pro such as Lynn then some one like me should do fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scareface
The 1/3/8/12…20 progression is perfect, you won’t need the 5K.
Surprisingly with modern synthetics you can, in the high grits, make large grit jumps, just fine. The 20k seemed excessive to me. But once I bought one, I too was impressed.
I re-honed a 40+ rotation, once I got the 20 dialed in. Just with the 20K. It is an amazing touch up stone.
Not saying you need one, but doubt you will be putting it up for sale anytime soon…
+1, but we are supposed to reel them in slowly...
Naw, that hook’s deep, reel, baby reel….