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Bought a new basic black shave ready tested it and was nearly there, touched it up on 12k and the shave was good but I noticed a flat spot tuce it back to the hone and even with 3 layers of tape this spot will not touch the hone. Any advice ?
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Where did you purchase it. If SRD it should have been truly shave ready. If The Art of Shaving it only had a factory edge. Was it sold as shave ready? If so, and not from SRD then I would take it back and let them know. If from SRD it should have a certificate for a free hone. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by gavinshiels
3 layers of tape will be adding 3 degrees to the bevel which may not be so good...
But Steve Dempster at Thiers-Issard UK (where I got mine) does hone with one layer unless requested not to IIRC.
Cheers, Steve
I hone without tape just added layers to get it to touch the stone
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Don't care how it looks wound it be a good idea to put it on the dmt and hone until I can get it to the edge ?
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Where is the low spot on the blade? Is it on an end or somewhere in the middle? Is there a correspondingly greater degree of removal on the opposite side of the blade?
It about 3/4 to the toe. I can see a belly in the spine the bevel is huge and ugly anyhow it's a 7/8
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Ah, I have both a 11/16 and a 7/8 Basic Black. The 11/16 is almost perfect, but the the 7/8 has a wide, wavy bevel too. I don't think you will improve the cosmetics of the bevel.
My 7/8 shaves like a million buck BTW, in spite of that unsightly bevel.
Cheers, Steve
By a "belly in the spine," do you mean a low spot? If you have access to a micrometer or caliper gauge, then you could measure it to confirm. Also, the marker test on both the bevel and the spine might be informative.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinshiels
If the spine is narrower there, then that would cause the bevel to be wider across from it and would keep the edge from touching the hone until the bevel is sufficiently worn down. This could be corrected by using a heel forward honing stroke so that the spine closer to the middle of the blade is responsible for the bevel angle at the toe rather than the part of the spine nearer the toe. However, if three layers of tape did not correct the problem in your hands, then I'm not sure the tape will do it either. Sorry, but your best bet might be to send it out to someone with more experience who can evaluate it and correct it.
Not until you are certain of the cause. All you would be able to do would be to grind away the rest of the spine until it matches the toe end, and that is going to result in a "huge" bevel along the rest of the razor too. I would not go with that extreme of a measure unless you are very certain of the cause of the problem first.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinshiels
Spine is stright one side and a belly out on the problem side. I can't even get it to touch the edge using a rolling stroke. Looking at it again it's going to take a huge amount of grinding on the spine not sure what I should do. No need for a micrometer the swell is huge an easily seen by eye
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Please clarify belly out. Your reference to a swell makes me not sure what you are telking about. Is the spine thickness greater or lesser in the problem area. If it is lesser, than as I said before a forward heel stroke should solve the problem.
Belly out spine thicker in the middle but spine makes full contact with the stone but it keeping me from getting all the way to the edge in one part
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So the spine thickness, if measured from one side to the other and on a 7/8 razor will be a little less than a quarter inch, is thicker in the middle than on either end? That means it is thinner at least at the toe.
You can fix it with a heel forward stroke combined with a rolling x. If you really want to correct it with tape, then put one or two layers of tape only on the low spot and then put another layer of tape over the entire length of the spine.
I will give it a go thanks
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I can't even imagine this unless you mean that the honing is taking place on the back side of the bevel and that is what is keeping the edge off of the hone.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinshiels
Can we PLEASE see a pic BEFORE you keep grinding away steel ????
The bevel is very big on this razor and in one spot the new scratch marks only make it half way on the bevel çant get them to the edge. I but tape on (3 layers) and it made a lovely neat secondary bevel but still not to the edge in that spot. It's going in the draw for now until I have bit more experience honing. My other razors are easy to hone. I'm away from home for a few days so can't take a photo
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Yes this is exactly what is happening and the bevel on this razor is huge more like a knife bevelQuote:
Originally Posted by bluesman7
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Oh come on Glen, I was looking forward to continuing to try to solve the ongoing belly mystery!Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Ok got home and as this was bugging me had to have a go at fixing it. Got it done thanks guys utopian you were spot on it wasn't the thickest part of the spine causing the problem it was the low spot. And I added to the problem too much pressure. Fresh start clear head and your advice learned a lot on this one. Thanks again
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