Received this fat Henkotsu for assessment. It had been honed & stropped. I did a full shave with it.
What kind of shave did it give me ? What can you tell from the pic ?
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow ?
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Received this fat Henkotsu for assessment. It had been honed & stropped. I did a full shave with it.
What kind of shave did it give me ? What can you tell from the pic ?
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow ?
Just guessing but I say a good shave. The different colour on the edge is the harder steel.
Although maybe there is a chip at bottom of picture. Hard to tell.
I don't understand this. Are you suggesting that this is layered steel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rami
I'm not an expert on interpreting the photos but if I saw that through my microscope I would return to the stones. It doesn't look like a good edge. It looks unclean, wavy and has at least one tiny chip.
I can see microchips so not going to be a good shave IMO
11 meters per second...Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
What side we looking at there OZ? Looks dull for being freshly honed. Finished on Jnat?
Gave up on HHT long ago. Looks maybe like bevel isn't there from the shadow on the edge
Well Oz is saying its a Japanese kamisori. Which is typically layered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
not all the way to the bevelQuote:
Originally Posted by Rami
That's why it's called guessing and not knowing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
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I would would guess that it shaved good ! If it didn't you really took one for the team given your face a full shave with it :tu . It is hard to tolerate a blade that plucks hair out.
Interesting replies so far gents. :cool:
I'll wait a little longer & see if any one else wants to exercise their powers of deduction.
Just tell us.
Has it been long enough?
Are we there yet :p
Totally uneducated guess here. At the magnification the photo of that edge was taken at any flaws seen would not interfere with getting a good shave.
Bob
Looks like a Jnat edge and I agree with Bob you won't feel those minor chips, you probably had a fine shave.
I say good shave. Those chips would not have an effect on the shave. If you can see them without magnification thats different. Aaannnnddd the answer is.............:popcorn:
What kind of shave did it give me ?
I'm going to say a poor shave...
What can you tell from the pic ?
I see some microchipping, and it appears the bevels don't meet.
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow ?
An Australian Desert Swallow or an American Barn Swallow?
I like the looks of it. I'm going to say it was not a bad shave.
If I saw that differential appearance of the edge relative to the rest of the bevel with my microscope, I would assume a poor shave if the razor had just come off the hones.
However, if it was an old edge that had convexed over a long time from abrasive stropping, those can shave fine; but I don't think that is what is shown in the photo. I'm sticking with poor shave.
The suspense is killing me.
Bob
It's neat that the consensus is- there is no consensus. HHT means nothing, the photo can be interpreted many different ways, and swallows don't shave.
It proves the only conclusive test is a shave test, and since I didn't shave with it I'll just have to guess! I'll guess good shave. Like AlienEdge said- you wouldn't suffer through a complete shave if it wasn't good. At least I hope you wouldn't.
Swallows don't shave? I dunno, the ones around here are pretty clean cut suave looking birds.
Bob
Hmm... interesting challenge. Hard to say because I don't know the blade. Usually, I'm making comparisons on the same blade through the progression when looking at it under magnification. Given the condition of the edge, from that one angle, with that lighting - without any reference points - I'm going to guess it shaved OK but you want to spend a little time on your hones making it shave great.
Adam
Poor shave. The edge doesn't look clean at all, possibly overhoned. I would joint it and work it with tomo slurry to see if that takes care of it. Level of magnification or some reference of scale would help.
I am sorry, but a high magnification picture of an edge doesn't tell me anything about how it shaves. I have seen mirror shine edges that shave like crap and I have seen some with a few microchips that didn't affect the quality of the shave whatsoever.
I have a few vintage razors in my collection that have a few microchips that I didn't bother honing out because they didn't affect the shave negatively whatsoever.
Very true. Pictures dont tell me as much as my calibrated HHT which is 99% accurate. Sorry HHT haters. Hahahaha. :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgister
I don't think there are any who really hate the HHT method. Unless you have it calibrated they are of not much use for a novice is all. Personally I am too lazy to bother to calibrate for the HHTs. After awhile you have a pretty fair idea from looking at the edge if it will shave smoothly or not. Either way there are bound to be some surprises when it comes to the actual shave test that will leave you a bit puzzled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steel
Bob
Assuming what we see here is the Ura side,I would like a peek at the Omote. I see a little micro chipping and possibly some strop induced convexing. The shave , I have no idea. Is the swallow speed a Monty Python reference or > Estimating the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow | style.org
OK, now my head hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirm
Bob
Oh, so it was an OK shave, Thanks.:tameshigiri:
Fun guessing game, Onimaru!
Hard to tell from the picture. However I don't use a magnifier and visual inspection to judge a shave-ready edge so it could just be inexperience on my part. I guess it depends on if the razor was polished by stropping; I have seen some pretty rough looking edges that have shaved well after polishing with a strop.
Is it an Eurasian or African swallow?..
Well the replies bear out what some of us already knew. HHT ≠ Shave ready & microscope pictures are hard to interpret.
I did do a full shave but the shave was completed via other razors I was testing when I got to the tougher stubble , chin etc.
Did it shave ? Well it cut hair but it tugged. Not pleasant at all.
Someone asked. The pic is Omote not Ura tho the ensuing pic of dings is from the Ura
It was finished on a Jnat but the bevels were not quite set. 10 points for those noticing that. I think it's ability to HHT & somewhat shave was forced onto it via the strop, hence the black polished micro bevel looking thingy.
There were some microchips but I couldn't feel them. At that size the strop will take care of them.
What I didn't show was pics of the dinged areas but then it may've been too easy to guess :)
Nonetheless I wanted judgements on the perceived polished edge.
I'll add one below of the dings plus one of the completed edge.
Any who I took it back to 1k to quickly set the bevel & progressed to Jnat finisher. Final test was positive.
As for the Monty Python question , let's just say we got rid of the bridgekeeper :)
And conversely, especially but not exclusively for beginners, a failed HHT does not necessarily mean that a razor will not shave.
Yup, it may simply mean the HHT has failed, for any number of reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
My favorite is oil on the blade. Beginners often squawk that their brand new razor does not pop hairs without having any clue what the HHT actually tells them or what it means. A perfectly sharp blade that will pop hairs just fine will not do it at all after the blade is oiled.
Or if the hair is too oily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian