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Hey guys,
I remember Tony Miller posted something a while ago and I thought that I should add this photo to the community's knowledge base:
L-R: Vintage Blue/Grey, NOS? Muller, 2 small thought to be Y/G, and one labeled Y/G.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...t/P1040714.jpg
No flash used.
Cheers
Ivo
:eek: :eek: :eek: Hone porn!
LOL, no hone porn because some of my best, highly used, and really beautiful naturals are left out (Belgian and Japanese), not to speak of the synthetic barber hones. This was strictly for this particular type of stones. A Y/G may cost one quite a bit and it's good to have some ideas / data for comparisonQuote:
Originally Posted by heavydutysg135
Cheers
Ivo
Ivo,
I have posted the photo of the stones I had on hand as well. Top to bottom are a 2" x 8" MST Hunsrueck/Eifel (same as your second stone L to R), a small 1" x 4" NOS Thuringen, a 2 1/2" x 5" NOS Thuringen, a small 1" x 4" Y/G NOS Thuringen and a 1 5/8" x 7" vintage Y/G Thuringen.
The MST Hunsrueck stones are not Thuringens but of a similar makeup froma different region in Germany. The NOS stone in the middle is an example of the ones I occasionally get for sale along with the MST Hunsruecks.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/image...ze/Eschers.jpg
Tony
At least they are not wet with a slurry.. :roflmao :roflmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by heavydutysg135
Hi Tony,
Yes, this is the photo I remember - my inspiration :)
Btw, my second stone is not an MST Hunsrueck. I thought it has the same label as the stones that Kees sells on ebay occasionally - and he calls it NOS Thuringen. Muller's Water Grindstones. He said they come from a small family operation, etc. If it turns out to be a Hunsrueck (vs a Thuringen) - I won't be too disappointed though. Especially because you said they are fast and fine cutters (I only tried it once with water, and it was not fast at all - but using the slurry stone may change this)
Cheers
Ivo
Ivo,
I have one of those too yet mine is lighter and more uniform. The dark color and slight varigation lead me to think it was a Hunsrueck/Eifel.
The stones Kees sell and the ones I get look very similar in real life but slightly different, most Hunsruecks look considerably darker and varigated. maybe it's just the lighting difference betwen our photos.
I'll have to dig out my Hunsrueck and the stones I got from kees and photograph them again.
Tony
I believe the stones Kees sells are Manufactum Thuringens
Where is Kees, ebay site? Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by edk442
Actually I think Kees and Manufactum sell the same Muller stones. Be aware though every dealer is different, even if the stones are from the same place. I know Kees sorts and inspects his stones as I do before selling to be sure any inferior ones are weeded out. We have both had issues with inclusions and have had to scrap or return stones. He would be a seller I would trust and i have one of his stones in my collection. I don't expect every dealer goes through that trouble.
Tony
Tony,
I just used the stone with a slurry. Definitely not a fast cutter, and feels smooth on the edge. I think I did over 70 laps and there was not much metal removed at all. So this leads me to think that it is not a Hunsrueck. Honestly, I think I would have liked a faster cutting stone than what it is :) How fast do the Hunsruecks cut? (comparatively) Lapped and with slurry, my stone looks very much like a regular Escher and I have the label that I have seen on the stones sold by Kees.
Eric,
I am pretty sure they aren't Manufactum Thuringens. Kees said they come from a small family operation, iirc
Pilot,
Kees sold a few under his ebay name Roos something something (number, including 0 and 6, iirc). Not an e-bay store. PM him here if interested, he is always very helpful.
Cheers
Ivo
Ah, quite possible - so I have the same Muller stone then. Thank you for clarifying this, Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Miller
Yes, I hear that a high percentage of stones have to be returned. Kind of makes you wonder - why do they even send them...
Cheers
Ivo
Ivo,
To make it even more complicated there are at least 3 Muller firms in Germany selling abrasives. Of course Muller is just about the most common name there too.
Tony
I swapped a 5k shapton for a thuringen with kees and i asked him:Quote:
Originally Posted by izlat
Originally Posted by edk442
Oh ya, I wanted to ask, is this a manufactum thuringen stone?
Yep!! Didn't you know? It has been mentioned in several posts on SRP.
So I think Tony has it right, in that, while Kees doesn't get his stones from Manufactum, his and manufactums stones are from the same source. Havent played with it too much, but it is quite slow
Yes, Tony - I remember reading about it. I think there are some variations in the spelling like Mueller vs Muller or something but nevertheless, I just meant that my stone came with the label that I saw on the stones Kees was sellingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony Miller
This settles it, Eric! I am sorry for the misinformation I spread - I understand now that Kees and Manufactum get the Thuringen stones from the same source. I absolutely agree that it's very slow after some work.Quote:
Originally Posted by edk442
Guess I was right to think it's a Thuringen (vs. a Hunsrueck) - in hindsight maybe a Hunsrueck would be better if it cuts just as fine but much faster...
Cheers
Ivo
I thought I'd add some more info to this thread. Here is a map of Germany, note the area of Thuringer (in grey) in the middle is actually quite large, and accounts for the differences in the stones which can be classified as "Thuringers/Thuringians"
http://www.map-of-germany.org/map-of-germany.gif
Here is Manufactum's website where they sell their Wasser-Abziehstein (water sharpeningstones) for 19 Euros (roughly $26 USD). The stone is about 7"x2"x3/4".
Here is Wojtec's ebay store where you can get a 6"x2" "Hunsruek" stone for about $35 or an 8"x2" for $47.
Here is Tony's store for Thuringen stones. He might not always have them in stock, but he has a listing on ebay right now here.
I'm not sure, but I think you'll have to PM Kees for a sale on his stock.
Wow, the region is really big. I've been to Erfurt as a kid... Anyway, I think different colors may well come even from the same mine - from adjacent veins, due to various elements... whatever
Looking at Manufactum's product - yes, the same label as my stone. It came lapped (checked with pencil grid) BUT lapped with something quite rough
Cheers
Ivo