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I was at an antique store today and bought a vintage Norton for $13. My question is how do you tell what grit it is? It is dark brown on one side and black on the other, measures (I haven't actually measured it) about 2x6, and came in an original wood box. Any ideas? :thinking:
Tod
Is there a Norton imprint in it? Is it oval? If so, we can help you make a LOT of money!
It does have Norton printed on the side of the stone, but the logo is a parallelogram and not oval, shucks :(-->TodQuote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Sorry, I haven't seen that one. It's the one with the oval imprint that is immensely popular with competitive axe-men.
Okay, Here's a crapy iPhone pic, but a pic none the less.
http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/IMG_0168.jpg
Competitive axe-men?Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Whuuuu...?
Lumberjacks who cut wood with axes in competitions seem to prefer a particular Norton two-side hone for sharpening their axes. I have never seen one of them sell for less than $500 in the last couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimR
Well, whatever... Does anyone know the grit of this thing?
I believe those are more coarse than your typical razor hone but I do not know the grit size. If nothing else, it might be used for removing chips from damaged blades.
Thanks for all your help with this. Apparently you are either answering the question perfectly or nobody else is interested, so thanks.
I noticed in your signature that you are doing some honing. I've got three ebay razors (Genco, Clauss and Clauberg) that I'll through in the mix if you have any room. I'll be glad to pay some for the honing, JLMK.
Tod
I guess we should assume I'm answering perfectly!:roflmao
I'll send you a PM about the honing.
...or no one else knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by todot62
A good way to get an idea of the grits would be to run a razor along each side and see what it does. Using a blade that has just been over a known grit (like a razor straight off a 1k, 4k, or 8k) would be helpful to aid in the approximation.
Yup, excellent point.
(Another perfect answer on my part!)
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Originally Posted by holli4pirating
+1 there. I'm sure the limited responses are because it's nearly impossible to tell the grit of a hone from a photograph, especially when the stone is badly blurred, but the bank statement it's sitting on is nice and sharp. Basically, all anybody has to go on is the color, and the shape of the logo, which wouldn't be of any help at all unless somebody happened to own a norton stone with the same color combination and logo, and even that would be no guarantee.
I would do what h4p suggested if you're able. If not, I probably wouldn't put a razor on it, because for all I can see from the pick, it could be a 12,000 grit finishing hone, or a large yellow and black eraser.
I've found this to be one of the most helpful forums I've ever encountered, but identifying a hone, especially a man made hone like a norton, is just not something most people can do without testing it.
Based purely on the color combination, and the fact that it's a norton hone, it could be an older one of these: Razor Strops, Hones, and Accessories
h4p's suggestion would give us more info to work with, but if it's an old version of the one I just linked, it's a 220/1000 grit combination stone, which would be excellent for repairing a damaged edge and setting a new bevel, but completely useless for actual honing.
Thanks for the reply guys. I certainly was not meaning to imply that this was not a helpful forum! In fact, it is SO helpful that I was hoping someone would just give me a "there is is no way to tell," or "you might try this," kind of answer which I now have.
I know nothing about hones, other than Norton is a brand that is used and that this one is an old version of a Norton. I thought that maybe someone could tell just by seeing one side is black and one is brown. Obviously that is not possible. Now that I've kind of played with it for a bit, I CAN tell that if I were to guess, the brown side is no finer than a 1000 and the black is less. So it would appear that VeeDubb65 is on the right track.
Let this be a lesson to all of us. If we don't get what we want, just whine a little. :o
As always, Thanks,
Tod
Well, if I am right about it being a 220/1000 or something in that neighborhood, I'd hang on to it. A new one will set you back $60-$70, and they are one of the more popular choices for going from ebay trash blade up to a good working bevel that is ready to be honed.
Since you think we may be on the right track, you might poke around a few woodworking stores, and see if you can find a 220/1000 norton and compare.
Hm, I got a King 220/1K for $20... I agree that it's worth it to hang onto the stone though, it sure will come in handy for setting bevels and removing chips. Just be careful that the 220 side isn't too soft/doesn't wear too fast and stays plenty wet when you use it. I find that low grits tend to break down faster than higher grits, and they are very porous, so they lose their water pretty fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by VeeDubb65
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Originally Posted by holli4pirating
I'm not at all familiar with the King 220/1k, but I based that statement on the link I posted, which you will see is a norton 220/1k at classicshaving.com for $64.99.
I just check the norton stones store, and they sell them for $49.41 So, I guess it's more like $40-$65 than $60-$70, but like everything else, I'm sure they can be had cheaper if you shop around and find a bargain.
Also, you should probably note that the color of your stone, and the color of the 220/1k norton are not quite the same. This could be because your stone is grimey from use. I've seen plenty of water stones that have been used with oil for one reason or another. It could also mean we're barking up the wrong tree.
I was going to ask just that question. I recently bought what I think is a granite hone from a road side stall in Thailand. It was cheap and at the very least I am using it to learn how to lap a hone. I wanted to find out if there is any way to tell what grit size it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by holli4pirating
Thank you. You have answered my question before I asked it.
I have trouble telling grit size if I had it in hand...
I could ID coarse, Med and fine
I always have to look up the color coding...
Hey there's a thought...
Maybe NORTON's site will have the info...
I have had good results with contacting via email or phone the company about an old product...
:)
Tom
Hahahahaha I like it...I've tried this for years without result..Quote:
Originally Posted by todot62
Hahahaha
Tom
Hi Tod,
That looks a lot like a Norton Medium Crystolon/Fine India combination stone. (I used to sell them.) :)
Hope this helps,
Jeff
Can you tell me more about it? It measures 7x2 if that tells you anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffR
I've never sold them like Jeff has, but my guess was going to be a Norton India. Coarse industrial oilstone all the way you have there.
If you're going to use it and use honing oil on it, just be sure you keep it far away from any waters tones you'd work with. The last thing you want on a water stone is oil.
Chris L
With Jeff's info, I was able find this:
Norton Professional Sharpening Solutions - - - Bench Oilstones
INDIA - SOFT ARKANSAS COMBINATION BENCH STONES
These stones have 2 different abrasive types on opposite sides of each stone, reducing the cost of owning a variety of abrasives and grit sizes for sharpening.
7 x 2 x 1 w/ wooden box 61463685860 Fine India/ExFine Arkansas SIB27
with the measurements of 7x2x1, and wooden box, this may be it! Also looks like they don't make it anymore.
Well, that oilstone certainly looks like a closer match than the 220/1k.
Can somebody who is more knowledgeable than me explain what grit this is or would be equivalent to?