does anyone have a good honing pyramid for the fast cutting naniws after the bevel is set with 1000. just dont want to over hone, still a noob with a set of stones. thanks:confused:
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does anyone have a good honing pyramid for the fast cutting naniws after the bevel is set with 1000. just dont want to over hone, still a noob with a set of stones. thanks:confused:
I use the same pyramid recommended for the Nortons that is in the SRP Wiki, Lynn's method here . You could also do the alternative pyramid here in the Wiki if you want to do less strokes.
After setting the bevel on the 1k I have been doing a pyramid with the 3k/5k and polishing on the 8k. You could also do the 5k/8k and polish on the 10 or the 12k. Just experiment and see what works best for you.
Hi,
+1 on Jimmys' recommendations.
I am very much a honing newbie, but have got very goods results with the Naniwa 3/5 pyramid, followed by Naniwa 8k & 10 k.
Best regards
Russ
When Lynn showed me a method to use the Naniwa's, he didn't show me a pyramid. We started with the 1k, then to the 3k, then I think 5k, 8k, and 12k. On the 1k, we did 40 circles on each side with a firm stroke and then 10 nomrmal strokes. This was repeated until the bevel was set. On the 3k, we did 40 circles with a firm stroke and then 10 normal strokes. On the next ones (I think 5k then 8k), 40 light circles and 10 light strokes. On the 12k, 10 light strokes. Then 10 light strokes on felt charged with .5 micron diamond. Any set can be repeated if you're not happy with where the edge is, but I don't think I ever had to repeat once I got the hang of the firmness on the lower end.
EDIT: 8K might have been just 10 regular strokes, like on the 12k; to be honest, I don't remember.
Personally, I don't like pyramiding, because in my mind, one should go as far as a given hone can take you before moving on. For that reason, I like the circles and passes method described above. Oh yea, and this method worked, too. Very well.
Thanks Holli4, I'll have to try that. I've used the circles on the 1k for bevel setting but not further on up the grit ladder.
Don't thank me, thank Lynn. It's the method he shared with me at the WNY meet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Hey, I'll thank whoever I want to thank ! :mace: Thanks again ... and one for Lynn too. :roflmao I'm feisty today. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by holli4pirating
So when you talk about polishing, like, for example, on my 12k Naniwa, what does that involve?
For example, does one just do so many laps? Or perhaps do you to the pyramid thing again, only swapping out the lowest grit stone. For instance, pyramid on my 5k and 8k stones, then pyramid again using the 8k and 12k...
Thanks.
from what i understand after the 5k 8k pyramid , then you just polish 10-15 x-strokes on the 12k only. then strop 50 linen 50 leather.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentonC
I do not think one can overhone a razor.
apart from that a standard pyramid
25-25
20-20
15-15
10-10
1-3
1-5
works fine.
I find it more effective to do
20 circles followed by 10 X strokes then 20 circles on grits from 1k up to 8k.
on the 8k theen I follow with 10-15 very light strokes.
same for 10k and 16k(that is a Glass Stone but it does not matter)
What is the purpose of a pyramid?
I believe it is that a novice is less likely to overhone than with a progressive routine. More importantly as Lynn say,"It works." :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hardheart
To be honest, I have no expertise or special knowledge about pyramid sequences of honing. However, in my honing experience before I started reading about pyramid sequences, possibly I was using the technique to some degree already.
I use a microscope a lot to view the results of honing. Because of what I saw happening at the edge, namely an edge that appeared "fragile" or too thin, I started backtracking a hone level and breadknifing very gently. With no more pressure than the weight of the blade, and usually less (from me lifting on the blade a little), I would ensure the edge was straight and not too thin looking. Would hone a few strokes, and then go back to honing on the previous (smaller grit) hone I had been using previously.
For me, going back one hone level, even when I didn't GENTLY breadknife the edge, seemed to give a more robust edge that took to the final stropping and shaving better.
I suspect the above relates to why pyramid honing schemes work. But, again, maybe not.
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Originally Posted by holli4pirating
Do you still use the circle honing method? How do know when you've taken a hone as far as you can?