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Hello All,
I would like to get your thoughts on a set a stones to start with. I have read a lot about the Norton being good for beginner. My question is if a beginner could learn on either the Naniwa or Shapton set? REason would be that I more than likely will not be buying several different sets of stones and would like a set that I could grow with.
Thanks
Lu
Based on your desire to build a set of stones (ie; more than just the basics) I think that you would be better off to go with Naniwas or Shaptons. Either line has a more comprehensive range of stones than Norton and these stones have earned a strong following with a lot of the guys we consider to be the honing experts. That translates into lots of good advice based on their experience, which can be invaluable for someone new to honing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclelu
I agree with Bill S.
if you don't have any money issues then go head and have Naniwa's or shapton's complete set.
will be a lot easier to learn hone the blade.
hope this helps. GL
Thank you guys,
I had been considering the Shapton set more than any other as I can always get the 30K latter, but was a a bit concerned that this would be an advanced ability set.
Would the 1k,2k,4k,8k,16K be sufficient or should I add another stone?
Lu
Plenty enough
I'd skip the 2k, though... not critical to good results and less odds of screwing up the edge.
That is an excellent choice for a honing kit. If you can go ahead and get the 2K with that set. I really like the 2K and you won't screw up the edge with the Shaptons. You can decide later if you want to go for the 30K. Don't forget the lapping system. The DMT8C will work but the Shapton DGLP is much nicer if you can pop for one of those. [It's so easy to spend other people's money]. Also consider the Shapton holder as it is also a fine product.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclelu
bj
The naniwa's and shaptons are quite expensive though. Someone here told me: buy a coticule and you have all you need (for honing)
Often your location will be a determining factor in the price you pay for your hones. Certainly someone based in Europe will find a coticule to be a more viable option than hones that would have to be imported from outside of Europe and vice-versa.
Danny the prices for Naniwas just dropped quite a bit in europe lately. (link)
I love them ... and even more than my Shapton Pro's
+1 with Olivia. I like mine better than the Shaptons too. The Shaptons are good too though. If you go for the Shaptons I agree with 2Sharp that the 1 and the 2k are both worth having. I like to follow the bevel setting on the 1 with the 2. It is a really good step IME. The GDLP is mighty nice to have too but the D8C will get the job done if you want to save a few $. Decisions, decisions. You can't go wrong with either set IMO.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by 0livia
Lu, take a look at this thread
Well, my first honing set up was a set of Shaptons.
I have the 1/4/8/16k ceramic on glass, plus a 325 DMT for lapping and major edge repair. I also got some 0.5 diamond spray and made a denim flatbed hone. This little setup serves me brilliantly!
The only things I think I would add to that would a 2k and a 30k stone (Glen talked me into it in another thread!). I'd also like to get a few more pastes as well so I'll probably add some sort of paddle strop with CrOx and 0.25 diamond spray as well.
In terms of the coticule, I think theres more of an experienced element there in terms of setting the slurry and so on. With the Shaptons you know exactly what grit they are, plus the faces are white so you can see when they need lapping clean easily.
I was tempted to get a coticule, but the Shaptons are so good that I probably would never use it! Or only very occasionally.
I've heard good things about the Naniwas as well, though I have no experience with them myself.
Thank you all for the advise.
I will definitely be getting the Shapton set in 1k,2k,4k,8k,and 16k for now.
BJ thanks for the advise on the DMT for flattening, I had been concerned with the shapton due to cost. I have to spend my own money (darn it, lol). Bill S, if I can make due with the above mentioned 5 stones I will definitely fill in the blanks at a later date as I do want to get the full set. Of course the 30k will be last due to cost.
Now I just have to order the stones and make the felt strop with diamond spray.
Time to spend money.
Lu
I didn't read all the posts, but lately, my go to hones are the Naniwa's. I love how they respond. They give great feedback and are pretty fast. They're soft, so they lapp easy.
If you get them, lapp them under running water to reduce swarf. I follow them with either an Escher, or one of my Nakayama's, and my blades are very happy....