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i have a dovo in ss blade tryed honing 2-3 times can't get it sharp. i have a norton 1000/4000/8000/and a naniwa s12000 stones are these the wrong stones for job. when i purchased razor it was super sharp every time i try to sharpen it its worse try differnt ways none work can some body give help on honing ss blade or should i send out to be honed thanks
Well, honing a SS blade can be frustrating at times, but it's really not much different. In my hands, synthetics are easier than naturals for honing SS razors, so you should be ok. If you'd like, you can send it to me, and I'll bring it back up to shave ready. Otherwise, we can work through some tips and tricks for you.
Couple of questions:
Do you hone other razors successfully?
Was it honed with tape before you got it?
Are you confident the bevel is set well?
knowing this can give us a better frame of reference from which to offer advice
Cheers,
Paul
IME its best to get a cheap vintage from ebay or an antiques market to learn honing with, so yes send it off but get one to perfect your honing skills on.
yes i used tape maybe i should get a chape one to play with .
i don't have any other razors
If it was sharp when you got it, then what did you do the first time you tried to sharpen it?
Did you do about 5 light strokes on the Naniwa 12k like you should have for a touch up, or did you do something more aggressive? Please describe in detail what you have done to try to touch up this razor.
dlp40cal,
I use the 1, 3, 8 & 12 k Naniwa SuperStones to hone my Dovo 41 & 105 blades, and they respond superbly to this progression.
I have found the Dovo 41 & 105 blades to be excellent shavers :)
Please have a peek at the most excellent video tutorials by GSSixgun :
YouTube - ‪gssixgun‬‏
I always find these a great source of inspiration when my honing goes a bit awry !
Good luck !
Best regards
Russ
Everything you wrote is right, but it doesn't apply for this guy's razor, because an already sharp razor that needs a touch up does not need this progression,
But, Utopian, is his razor still sharp?
Usually if I am presented a razor that I am supposed to sharpen, I assume the worst.
I reset the bevel on every razor that is not my own. You never know what damage he induced by sharpening it the wrong way :shrug:
Anyway, to the OP:
Send your razor out to be honed. Do not experiment with your only razor.
Buy a cheap, yet reliable razor to learn sharpening on :tameshigiri:
He did not mention any damage, so I had no reason to assume that he was correctly anything but a slightly dulled blade. For that reason, a bevel re-set, or anything below the 12k, should have been unnecessary until or unless he harmed the blade during honing. The odds of that harm increased the lower he went with the hones.
From the description I assume that the OP did use more than the 12k to bring back the edge, and probably ruined the edge this way. He would have said that he tried to touch up the blade 2-3 times on the 12k, and not 2-3 sharpenings.
I think that the problem the OP has is that he doesn't know how to hone or touch up a blade, and should send it out for a professional to rehone it, and should get a cheap razor for learning purposes. When the professionally honed razor starts to pull, he will have the right technique to do 5-10 nice laps on the nani to bring the edge back. After that it only takes time adn practice when he can get a good edge on a razor himself.
i tryed touch up with 12k not real sharp 2 times went to 1000 with 20 strokes strait and x then 4k 8k 12k same blade rolled over hair put tape on while honing and it is dull city butter knife
come again?
Where are you located? Maybe there is someone close by who is willing to help you learn how to hone.
And if you do not send it out visit the "pyramid method" pages in the WiKi.
Pyramid honing guide - Straight Razor Place Wiki
I would try a pyramid with your 3k/8k hone and shave test.
If it does not snip whiskers I would repeat the 3k/8k pyramid
a couple three maybe four times.
If the razor feels sharp on your shave test I would then give the
razor 10-15 licks on the 12K, strop and shave test.
Stainless tends to be 'tough' and resist wear so be smooth and
as the hone gets finer give the razor some extra "gentle" licks.
Try not to overdo the 12K some steel does not
like to be super sharp so think "finish" and "polish"
on the 12k hone in case your razor is one of those.
My Naniwa 12K is truly a superstone IMO so go for it
and think "finish" and "polish" and you will get
good edges.
to let you no my last strokes on 12k was aggressive no lite strokes but i will try this thanks for all help is ss blade harder to sharpen than carbon steel blades?
Not harder but can take a bit longer due to ss's resistance to abrasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by dlp40cal
A lot of people confuse "hardness" and "toughness". Like onimaru mentioned, it's not the hardness that's the issue here. Stainless can be a real pain to work because of it's toughness. Some grades of SS can be quite easy to scratch but try to machine the stuff without knowing what you're doing and you end up with burnt drills, dead blunt cutting blades, ruined grinding gear, useless lumps of stainless and a whole new vocabulary of "mystic power words". Cutting small threads into 316 stainless, for exmple, can a profound exercise in either patience or futility depending on how you approach it.Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
savannah ga.
Personally I have come to the conclusion that the difficulty in honing a SS razor comes from the belief that there is a difficulty in honing a SS razor.
This statement says it all. dlp40cal: "i don't have any other razors " This isn't a SS honing problem it is just a simple honing problem..
Don't worry everyone has them when starting out, you need to learn how to actually hone, it is not the razor it is simply technique...
Start in the Wiki then branch over to the Honing section, and Video sections. do a couple of days of reading and watching before you go back to the stones...
If you rush into this it will get very frustrating,,, If you feel overwhelmed after a few tries send me a PM and I will sort out the problem and start you over again at square one... Shipping is on you, honing is on me, but give it a slow steady honest try first, I bet you get it if you slow down...
i will take a look at some of the videos and give it a try again thanks to all replys