HHT exports please.

Ok, as you can see I'm a new member, so I'll try to not make this long winded. Sent my razor to Lynn himself to be set. Got it back. I'm on my 4th shave. I want my razor HHT Sharp and I have my own 4k/8k stone so to work I went. DEFEATED! I could not get it. :(
I'll summarize this. And I taped the spine for the honing to prevent unnecessary hone wear.

First: 100passes 8k. 100p. Linen, 100p. Leather. Razor+wet hair=nothing
Second: 100p 4k, 100p 8k. 100p linen, 100p leather. Razor+wet hair=nothing.
Third: 100p 4k, 100p 8k. 100p linen, 100p leather. Razor+wet hair=nothing

Now...I tried to cheat by turning the water on super hot and letting the hair soak that up....but that didn't work lol. Also now the razor is almost HHT Sharp in the center (I can feel it!) Now! The sides and middle are ten times sharper than they were before and even though the sides are ten times sharper than they were before.....they still aren't even close to being as Sharp as the middle. So I can already tell I have a looooot of work before its actually going to be HHT ready :( please give me encouraging advice so I can feel like my three hours were not wasted :/

HHT means nothing. Judge your razor by shaving.

O god....please none of these people......I know the fights about the HHT. I DON'T CARE. My razor Shaves GREAT as it is right now. I'm just looking to take it to the next level. Please no posts if you are not a HHT enthusiast/achiever. :)

First off, how did it shave?

The HHT is not a predictable and reliable test for beginners in honing IMO.
Many people use them, but it has little or no value until you have it calibrated on known sources of hair.
And even then, it can be difficult to judge the shave-readiness on the razor.

If you haven't already, do a shave with it, and come back to us with the results:)

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Originally Posted by grant9908

Ok, as you can see I'm a new member, so I'll try to not make this long winded. Sent my razor to Lynn himself to be set. Got it back. I'm on my 4th shave. I want my razor HHT Sharp and I have my own 4k/8k stone so to work I went. DEFEATED! I could not get it. :(
I'll summarize this. And I taped the spine for the honing to prevent unnecessary hone wear.

First: 100passes 8k. 100p. Linen, 100p. Leather. Razor+wet hair=nothing

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That was it, you were done right then and there.. That is way way way to much honing... everything else just continued to destroy the edge...
The edge from Lynn probably passed HHT,,, Just not yours,, you have to qualify your test before you go where you went plus the HHT really doesn't mean all that much anyway

If Lynn honed your razor, why are you honing after your 4th shave?

Do you want your razor HHT sharp or shave sharp? Note a shave ready razor will not necessarily pass the HHT.

Have you read any of the wiki?

Why did you make 100 laps on the 8K?

So many questions, but it all comes down the fact that you should have posted here before trying to hone a shave ready razor after the 4th shave. At that stage a routine stropping would have bought the edge back. Chances are it is now overhoned and needs a trip to a pro to correct.

Seems like you were so caught up on the HHT that you have gone and wrecked your edge. Many here will tell you that the HHT is a parlour trick and others will say it is meaningless unless calibrated.


EDIT - Glen you beat me to it.

SECOND EDIT - I read your response. I very much doubt you are going to take Lynn's edge to the next level, especially with an 8K Norton. I say this because I know of Lynn's wealth of knowledge and experience and I can see your lack thereof.

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Originally Posted by grant9908

O god....please none of these people......I know the fights about the HHT. I DON'T CARE. My razor Shaves GREAT as it is right now. I'm just looking to take it to the next level. Please no posts if you are not a HHT enthusiast/achiever. :)

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So you want us to lie to you ????

Have you ever had an HHT work???
On what???
Why did it work???

Did you do the same thing again???

See you have to qualify the test, every single one of my edges, passes my HHT, but it doesn't mean it will pass yours, does that explain it better?????

Of course I tried the HHT after I got my razor back from Lynn. It did not pass. But it was shave ready.

The only razor that I've gotten to pass HHT was a razor that had an improperly set bevel. That should tell you the relevence of the HHT right there.

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The only razor that I've gotten to pass HHT was a razor that had an improperly set bevel. That should tell you the relevence of the HHT right there.

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lol, nice. :)

I just shaved last night, so my next shave will be in 4 or 5 days. I'll post he results right after.

My two hairs to test on are mine, normal which hair, amd my fiancee brush hairs, thin. Neither will pass. On the middle of my razor the with very very get slight pressure he hair will POP, but sill I have to be pressing with my finger, cheating. And the sides aren't doing that. Obviously It's not over honed.....yet. and I'm sure the next shave will be fantastic. BUT you all keep saying its a parlor trick! Will tricks have secrets! Why doesn't someone here post that secret? lol. That what I was asking for. :P you guys are so funny wig how worked up you get over this stuff, I love it (:

Alright, all this is off my phone. So cut me some slack on the spelling lol.

There is no secret to it. It really is irrelevant to how the razor will shave. I have some razors that will pass a hanging hair test and others that don't, yet they all shave me equally well. I agree with what the others are saying..if you got a razor honed by Lynn then you needn't have messed with it after 4 shaves. I've also had razors that pass the HHT and shaved horribly..there is such a thing as too sharp an edge.

Jesus....my spelling is atrocious. It looks like I hadn't passed the third grade lol.

Someone asked if I looked at wiki, of course I read everything on wiki. And according to wiki if your blade is HHT ready but will not shave its because the blade is too thin and its now rolling.

I understand that its not worth the effort because it doesn't mean anything, but I'm just asking....as long as I'm determined to do something stupid, you could at least give me advice on how not to Eff it up. Is everyone on here really so caught up in saying no that not one person will give me guidance advise on how to, instead?

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Jesus....my spelling is atrocious. It looks like I hadn't passed the third grade lol.

Someone asked if I looked at wiki, of course I read everything on wiki. And according to wiki if your blade is HHT ready but will not shave its because the blade is too thin and its now rolling.

I understand that its not worth the effort because it doesn't mean anything, but I'm just asking....as long as I'm determined to do something stupid, you could at least give me advice on how not to Eff it up. Is everyone on here really so caught up in saying no that not one person will give me guidance advise on how to, instead?

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Very very simple, Get a DE blade and learn the HHT on it, that will give you an idea of what is what... Then you have to correlate that with a SR and determine how if at all your personal HHT will if at all work.....

If you have to post the question, you obviously haven't honed very long & don't know what you are doing. I am sorry if that sounds a bit gruff, but a fact is a fact & no since sugar coating. First and foremost, Lynn oils his razors when he sends them out. No razor will pass HHT this way. A razor "shouldn't" need to be rehoned or even touched up on a barber hone for quite some time unless you have rolled the edge while stropping. If you did, that's ok...we have all done it. If you did roll the edge, sometimes you can get it back with a barbers hone, but more often than not it may need to be taken to the stones. FWIW, I don't think I have ever taken a razor 100x on a stone other than a bevel setter like a 1K on a razor that was in BAD shape. Maybe on a Charnley Forrest or a PHIG...but those are fine and slow cutting stones.

BTW, I HATE HHT if you haven't' figured it out. There is no "next level" if a razor is a smooth shaver, just parlor tricks. That's another fact to hang your hat on. Most folks who are concerned with the HHT is those who haven't much experience under their belt unfortunately. Do yourself a favor and come back to the HHT when you have about 6 months under your belt...you will thank me.
Scott

That's what I'm talkin' about! ;D lol. Now, what is a DE blade (I assume It's a throw away blade, *context clues*) and what is a SR? I've read on this site so many hours of info....It's all jumbling in my head :) good advice.

DE = Double edge like the Persona's avaialable at Wally World



SR= Straight Razor

I officially gave up talking any sense about it at this point in time... :)

"as long as I'm determined to do something stupid, you could at least give me advice"

I would be more worried about your sense that the blade is no longer evenly honed. Where did you hear about the HHT anyway? Oh, well, the HHT is a great test of honing and stropping. Maybe the problem is in the stropping. Grab a course hair from somewhere on your body and try cutting that. Don't use some fine hair off your head or significant other's hair.

The HHT is done with DRY hair ONLY.

One reason the HHT is a "parlor trick" is because it takes some exceptional work on the hone and the strop to achieve it. I will echo the sentiment that it doesn't make any difference. But, the secret is to spend about 3-4 years learning to hone so that the entire edge gets sharper, evenly, across the entire length of the edge and gets consistently sharper with each iteration. Then, learn to strop, perhaps with just a touch of deflection, on a strop well prepared and strop a lot of strokes on the strop to get it as fine as possible.

Then, and only then, will the blade be only good for 4 shaves . . .

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I would be more worried about your sense that the blade is no longer evenly honed. Where did you hear about the HHT anyway? Oh, well, the HHT is a great test of honing and stropping. Maybe the problem is in the stropping. Grab a course hair from somewhere on your body and try cutting that. Don't use some fine hair off your head or significant other's hair.

The HHT is done with DRY hair ONLY.

One reason the HHT is a "parlor trick" is because it takes some exceptional work on the hone and the strop to achieve it. I will echo the sentiment that it doesn't make any difference. But, the secret is to spend about 3-4 years learning to hone so that the entire edge gets sharper, evenly, across the entire length of the edge and gets consistently sharper with each iteration. Then, learn to strop, perhaps with just a touch of deflection, on a strop well prepared and strop a lot of strokes on the strop to get it as fine as possible.

Then, and only then, will the blade be only good for 4 shaves . . .

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I read on wiki that the hair has to be slightly moist...that's where that idea came from :/ I haven't even thought about trying a course hair, only head hair. That was exactly the answers I was looking for. Thank you.

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