Okay I am trying 3 new things here. You are more than welcome to critique all 3 :<0)
http://youtu.be/k4AUAC1VOM8
http://youtu.be/dZbwf-4Mv5k
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Okay I am trying 3 new things here. You are more than welcome to critique all 3 :<0)
http://youtu.be/k4AUAC1VOM8
http://youtu.be/dZbwf-4Mv5k
That is not how I take out frowns (I just hone them out...I feel this takes the minimum amount of steel off the razor to accomplish the job), but it does not make it wrong.
One thing you are doing wrong (and I do also) is flip the razor with the edge down. It's a bad habit, but I cannot fix it;)
Regarding the circles, I find it easier to put the heel forward slightly (this will keep stabilizers and other features near the heel on some blades off the hone and out of the way).
Otherwise, what you are doing looks like a start. The more you do, the more you will learn.
Oh yeah, I'm no expert, I just thought I'd chime in with something since you put forth the effort:)
Good show!
I am glad to hear any and all input. You see on the table there I have plenty to practice on. Another thing... If i go into my George Carlin routine an start showing off just slap me :<0) I am really no ham but give me a drink and a mic and I may embarrass myself LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by unit
I'm happy to try and help, but I'm not super experienced, and video (while good) is not nearly as good as being in the same room.
I have no doubt that others will have some good insight, and even more so if you keep the camera running.
Well I have yet to find any honemiesters in my neck of the woods but I think video can make this a very small world really quick. A picture may be worth a thousand words but a video will bore you in less than 2 :<0).
I am also up for any ideas on how to do better with the video. I will play with lighting, close ups and editing in the near future. I just like to jump in and then improve as needed.
Looks like we all did at one time. Anyhow, breadknife your frowns at an angle similar to what I pictured. It's a little more ergonomic, and a lot less clumsy feeling. Plus, you won't be grinding a truly flat edge onto your razor, and it'll be easier to get your bevel back.
Most razors that have frowns, have them because the stabilyzers at the heel got in the way of honing a good edge onto the razor. So the previous owner kept on pressing and pressing on the heel, hoping to bring it back in line. Eventually, it creates that frown.JMHO. Havign said that, you're probably going to have to do some work grinding away at those stabilyzers, to get them out of the way.
Using a heel forward stroke, can help you get the whole edge in contact with the stone, without damaging the stabilyzers. Use the heel forward stroke. But I don't think you're done with edge restoration yet. Gotta work on the stabilyzers still.
Don't spend too much time at 250 grit. Don't spend too little time at 1k grit.
You may be using too much pressure on the hone. It's really very hard to tell. Especially at 250 grit. But something doesn't sound right.
You discoverd that the razor feels like it needs to rock in order to stay in contact with the hone. This razor is asking for the rolling x stroke. :)
I hope I've helped a little. Bottom line is: Keep on practicing. You'll get there. :)
I have moved up to the 1000k King and trying to get my bevel set after fixing a frown.
Had to stop for an e-bay alert so is in 2 parts .
part 1
http://youtu.be/ABHTRVd8n5I
part 2
http://youtu.be/7wrDP2M1L9w
Very much open for critics comments and advice. I still have a pile of razors to learn on :<0)
on the last vodeo, the razor should cut hair at skin level , that is a good indication the bevel is set.
Another thing that I noticed is the stone sounds very gritty, is that just sound effect? Kings are pretty smooth stones.
Razors with frowns can be shaved with.
The frown, with proper honing, will be reduced then eliminated.
Breadknifing is edge removal, and we have enough ways to accomplish that already.
I did shave with that razor as it was one of my first. I bought 4 from e-bay and started learning on them. I was having trouble in the beginning and thought it was takin to many passes and lots of hair pulling. From lurking here I decided to get a 4/8k and start learning to hone. Got a nice Duck a few weeks later and sent that to Glen. When I got it back I knew I had to practice and pay more attention. Fast forward .... I got about 10 more razors and most actually came shave ready. I like buying from sellers that sell lots of razors :<0). So I had this group I wasn't happy with and I started seeing mention of frowns like it was a bad thing and one on how to see them. I found the razors I wasn't happy with had some form of frown and in some cases a couple of waves. Now I never gave it a thought to learn to hone a frowning razor and have set out to just fix them. From what you say I could learn and wait for the frown to hone out but how many years would THAT take? I guess my question now is, " is that what most do ? Learn to hone a frown ? " It goes against my grain not to fix something that ain't just right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace
Skin level but not touching the skin ? And no sound effects , that camera pics up everything I guess. I thought it was because I spent time on the 250 grit. I will listen again because I think it got quieter towards the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Personally, I'd be using circles. They get me where I need to be in a hurry, then finish the bevel set with strokes like you are taking.
Another tip I will offer is to change your tape frequently on the coarse stones. I like to change it perhaps a little too frequently, but if you are good with geometry, you can figure out why you don't want to start honing with full thickness then try to finish with a thinned out piece. I find that changing frequently gives me the crispest bevels;)
Just keep playing. You are moving slow...that is good;) things should start to click, and you should be able to look at a razor and get a hunch as to what strokes will be best (mostly due to features on the razor)
Keep chugging;)
Hey looks like you're making progress. I can see and hear a definite improvement in technique from vid 3 to vid4.
A razor with a frown can be shaved with...I guess. I think you got the right idea to fix it from the start. Now how you go about fixing it is up to you. I've never had a good shave with a frowning razor....never ever ever. Ofc, I'm just one guy, so who knows.
One thing though: You aren't performing the thumb pad test correctly. Dragging your dry thumb perpendicular to the bevel edge, or twinging it like a bow string, is not correct. Best search out a video of it. Lynn Abrams has a good one.
I'd also suggest picking out a single hair in that forest you got going, and trying to pluck it off with the razor at skin level. You're kinda hacking at the bushes with a machete there. We're looking for a fairly effortless hair cutting action. Certainly you don't swing that razor at your face with such reckless abandon?
I think this video idea was really great. Ofc I should. I did the same thing! Only I wasn't brave enough to post it for everyone to see. I just sent it to one fellah for his opinion. Kudos and keep em coming, if you like!
This one of the ways that you know when things are coming together - it gets quieter.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10Pups
I'm glad you got the heel forward thing happening - I find it the most comfortable.
I use more water and more pressure than you do, however, I didn't when I first started out, so it must be a 'lack of confidence' type thing 'cause we don't want to stuff it up.
As my understanding of the whole process increased, so did my confidence to use more pressure.
I use the TNT (Thumb Nail Test) exclusively to gauge when the bevel is set and then a few light strokes to repair any damage that it may have done and then a the AHT (Arm Hair Test) - the hairs should just pop off at skin level (touching the skin is OK IMHO)
From what I have seen you are doing well - keep watching the videos and practicing